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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2024 12:44:31 GMT
Quite, I meant every year not every day. I will march myself to the naughty step. In case you’ve forgotten your squaddie training, that’s Left-Right, Left-Right, Left-Right, etc, until you reach your destination… Forget lol, oh the memories... left right left right left right mark time, slam. Followed by two clunks as the cell door was slammed shut and locked from the outside. Quiet at last, a blessed relief after an hour of close quarter drill in number 2 dress with CEMO. (Complete equipment marching order) Forgotten? LOL you have to be kidding. Happy days. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 12:45:46 GMT
"In recent years, investors have been drawn to the wind industry by falling project costs and the prospect of new wind farms generating an abundance of cheap, clean energy."Investors want high energy costs to deliver large profits - what is currently driving investment is taxpayer subsidies and grants. Investors want profitable returns on their investments. If what they invest in is too expensive to get a profitable market, they’ll lose out. Wind and sunshine are free — even if variable. If their generated energy can be collected from wide enough areas to be constant, the developers of such systems will also generate income… |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2024 13:00:32 GMT
"In recent years, investors have been drawn to the wind industry by falling project costs and the prospect of new wind farms generating an abundance of cheap, clean energy."Investors want high energy costs to deliver large profits - what is currently driving investment is taxpayer subsidies and grants. Investors want profitable returns on their investments. If what they invest in is too expensive to get a profitable market, they’ll lose out. Wind and sunshine are free — even if variable. If their generated energy can be collected from wide enough areas to be constant, the developers of such systems will also generate income… This is a misunderstanding. Wind and sunshine are 'free' only the same way coal and oil are 'free' |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 14:07:05 GMT
Investors want profitable returns on their investments. If what they invest in is too expensive to get a profitable market, they’ll lose out. Wind and sunshine are free — even if variable. If their generated energy can be collected from wide enough areas to be constant, the developers of such systems will also generate income… This is a misunderstanding. Wind and sunshine are 'free' only the same way coal and oil are 'free' Coil and oil have to be dug and drilled for before use, and are finite.
Wind and sunshine are above ground and free... |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2024 14:10:06 GMT
This is a misunderstanding. Wind and sunshine are 'free' only the same way coal and oil are 'free' Coil and oil have to be dug and drilled for before use, and are finite.
Wind and sunshine are above ground and free... Think about it - Wind has to be 'collected' and converted before it can be used (I.e. mined). You can't put wind into a washing machine or leave it in the wind to do your washing. Using the same naive definition of free you can say coal is laying about on the ground (ie free) |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2024 14:13:10 GMT
Well the thing is we went through various phases. First it was coal, then it was nuclear and then North Sea gas. The coal plants were the oldest and were extremely costly to run. The nuclear was using a process that created plutonium for bombs, was extremely radioactive, gave little energy output and cost us much more than it produced, especially the huge clean-up costs. Coal has all but run out in the UK anyway, and we are down t our last 5-10% of North Sea gas which we are currently extracting with the new licences. This is not a lot of energy, but it all helps. Meanwhile back on the nuclear, we finally go for the standard EPR reactor using the third generation technology, bring the Chinese in with a China state firm who invest £4bn and because of our idiot government and fanatical concerns with safety the project and its delays and alterations finally ended up as the most expensive power station in the world and we pissed off the Chinese government by chucking them out of the project when they were the only people to have successfully built a third generation reactor, and at a fraction of the cost we were paying.
So you see that has been how we got here. I can see the logic of bringing in the windmills because they are now giving us a fair chunk of our energy supply and at a very cheap cost compared to nuclear or coal. They can be constructed much faster, but one point is the cost per MWh has tumbled down in the last 10 years, so what looked bad has in fact seen a result. It only remains to be asked what the hell is Noway doing supplying all of this when we could have done it ourselves and made the savings. I thought we were a world leading green tech nation. It turned out the only things we were leading in was bullshit and incompetence.
Well you know that is nonsense - the claim that wind power is cheaper than fossil fuels has been demolished over the past couple of years. Wind power is only sustainable. with massive taxpayer subsidies. It's just our idiots can't run a piss-up in a brewery now. My claim is not what it costs ripped off Brits but what it costs using global figures. All the green energy is foreign-owned. All our money is invested in shitty property which is ten times its real value. How dumb is that. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 14:30:47 GMT
Coil and oil have to be dug and drilled for before use, and are finite.
Wind and sunshine are above ground and free... Think about it - Wind has to be 'collected' and converted before it can be used (I.e. mined). You can't put wind into a washing machine or leave it in the wind to do your washing. Using the same naive definition of free you can say coal is laying about on the ground (ie free) I've thought about it. There isn't much naturally open cast coal lying around — and the more it's used the quicker it will go.
Wind and sunshine can dry washing, which can be done by hand in water warmed by the sun — this happened where I lived for about a decade. And Wind and sunshine are not finite. In fact, although they're clean, they're also so abundant that sometimes they need to be avoided...
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Post by Bentley on Mar 11, 2024 14:36:51 GMT
Net zero is the future . Just not tomorrow.
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2024 14:41:45 GMT
Think about it - Wind has to be 'collected' and converted before it can be used (I.e. mined). You can't put wind into a washing machine or leave it in the wind to do your washing. Using the same naive definition of free you can say coal is laying about on the ground (ie free) I've thought about it. There isn't much naturally open cast coal lying around — and the more it's used the quicker it will go.
Wind and sunshine can dry washing, which can be done by hand in water warmed by the sun — this happened where I lived for about a decade. And Wind and sunshine are not finite. In fact, although they're clean, they're also so abundant that sometimes they need to be avoided...
It's very similar - you can find coal and oil laying about, but if you want to really do anything substantial with them then you need to collect and process them systematically (ie mine them and turn them into something useful like electricity). If wind power were actually free, there would never have been a point in (say) generating electricity by any other means. It isn't free |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 11, 2024 14:50:26 GMT
I've thought about it. There isn't much naturally open cast coal lying around — and the more it's used the quicker it will go.
Wind and sunshine can dry washing, which can be done by hand in water warmed by the sun — this happened where I lived for about a decade. And Wind and sunshine are not finite. In fact, although they're clean, they're also so abundant that sometimes they need to be avoided...
It's very similar - you can find coal and oil laying about, but if you want to really do anything substantial with them then you need to collect and process them systematically (ie mine them and turn them into something useful like electricity). If wind power were actually free, there would never have been a point in (say) generating electricity by any other means. It isn't free There are a great many reasons that gas should be used for electricity generating and even the residue after burning coal is turned very cheaply into tarmacadam... Not sure what use the growing mountain's of wind farm worn out turbine blades are as they cannot be recycled and just end up in landfills. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 15:05:43 GMT
I've thought about it. There isn't much naturally open cast coal lying around — and the more it's used the quicker it will go.
Wind and sunshine can dry washing, which can be done by hand in water warmed by the sun — this happened where I lived for about a decade. And Wind and sunshine are not finite. In fact, although they're clean, they're also so abundant that sometimes they need to be avoided...
It's very similar - you can find coal and oil laying about, but if you want to really do anything substantial with them then you need to collect and process them systematically (ie mine them and turn them into something useful like electricity). If wind power were actually free, there would never have been a point in (say) generating electricity by any other means. It isn't free Electricity wasn't widely used until the mid 1800's. It's amazing that people had windmills and watermills centuries ago and still use the same technologies for drainage and irrigation — for electricity, the first public supply was a water driven system in Godalming in 1881. Coal, oil and gas are just steps on the way to reliable, but less polluting, energy generation... |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2024 15:10:28 GMT
It's very similar - you can find coal and oil laying about, but if you want to really do anything substantial with them then you need to collect and process them systematically (ie mine them and turn them into something useful like electricity). If wind power were actually free, there would never have been a point in (say) generating electricity by any other means. It isn't free Electricity wasn't widely used until the mid 1800's. It's amazing that people had windmills and watermills centuries ago and still use the same technologies for drainage and irrigation — for electricity, the first public supply was a water driven system in Godalming in 1881. Coal, oil and gas are just steps on the way to reliable, but less polluting, energy generation... Think of a windmill as being the rough equivalent of pick-axe for coal. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2024 15:12:16 GMT
"In recent years, investors have been drawn to the wind industry by falling project costs and the prospect of new wind farms generating an abundance of cheap, clean energy."Investors want high energy costs to deliver large profits - what is currently driving investment is taxpayer subsidies and grants. You read the article, you know what it said. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2024 15:18:43 GMT
It's very similar - you can find coal and oil laying about, but if you want to really do anything substantial with them then you need to collect and process them systematically (ie mine them and turn them into something useful like electricity). If wind power were actually free, there would never have been a point in (say) generating electricity by any other means. It isn't free There are a great many reasons that gas should be used for electricity generating and even the residue after burning coal is turned very cheaply into tarmacadam... Not sure what use the growing mountain's of wind farm worn out turbine blades are as they cannot be recycled and just end up in landfills. Coal tar is rarely used for metalled roads. Bitumen is the favoured medium.
How many tonnes of worn out turbine blades are found polluting the world?
Around 275 million tonnes of plastic waste is generated worldwide each year. Up to 13 million tonnes of that is dumped into the oceans adding to the hundreds of millions of tonnes already there...
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Post by zanygame on Mar 11, 2024 15:37:32 GMT
There are a great many reasons that gas should be used for electricity generating and even the residue after burning coal is turned very cheaply into tarmacadam... Not sure what use the growing mountain's of wind farm worn out turbine blades are as they cannot be recycled and just end up in landfills. Coal tar is rarely used for metalled roads. Bitumen is the favoured medium.
How many tonnes of worn out turbine blades are found polluting the world?
Around 275 million tonnes of plastic waste is generated worldwide each year. Up to 13 million tonnes of that is dumped into the oceans adding to the hundreds of millions of tonnes already there...
And turbine blades don't really pollute. They last forever and are just buried in the ground. They don't leak toxins, strangle seals, poison fish They are no more polluting than a concrete road bridge. |
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