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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 6:57:30 GMT
...You could move work to county Durham if that's possible? I doubt that I could move Whitehall to County Durham but I'll float it at the next staff meeting.  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 12, 2023 7:15:05 GMT
I suspect rather the converse. Zany wants you to subsidise raising immigration further with a massive house building program that you and your family will likely be excluded from benefiting from This conversation IS NOT ABOUT IMMIGRATION. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THREADS ON THAT. STOP STEALING IT. Reported.  So bringing in about a million immigrants a year (at current rates) has NOTHING to do with the housing shortage? And the fact that nearly all of the recent increases in population are caused by immigration (and children born to people who were NOT born here) is also irrelevant I suppose? Absolute nonsense, zany. England is the most densely populated country in Europe. We do have areas where there is room for building but it's usually not where people want to live. And what happened to your climate change nonsense? If there's one thing that DEFINITELY causes warming it's carpeting the globe with houses. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 7:15:49 GMT
Yes - thinking about this problem as a 'lack of houses' is missing most of the problem. There are houses in the UK that can be bought for a few grand. These houses are empty... ...If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. Which both go back to Orac's point that housing is needed in places. ie Places where there is an existing demand. Yes, I haven't disputed that, no one has. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 7:16:43 GMT
...You could move work to county Durham if that's possible? I doubt that I could move Whitehall to County Durham but I'll float it at the next staff meeting. If its the Tories I would prefer outer Mongolia  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 7:31:04 GMT
And if the Labour twats get in they'll move most of Outer Mongolia here.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 7:36:55 GMT
And if the Labour twats get in they'll move most of Outer Mongolia here. Brilliant reposte |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 12, 2023 9:54:43 GMT
Simple . New towns means an influx of new families with young children . Give it ten years and you a high proportion of teenagers with nothing to do. So you get petty crime , drugs and gangs . Ping pong and karate clubs won’t stop it . Better to tack smaller estates on existing towns . I think I get you. You mean new towns don't have a diverse enough mix of age groups? For instance older people? I can see that, the old and settled are much less likely to move. I guess my question is what effect do they have on teenagers with nothing to do? If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. I just told you . The result of an influx of young families in new towns is that there is a lot more young people of the same age becoming teenagers together. The result is a lot more petty crime and drugs You can look at new towns as much as you want , the problems occur anyway . Don’t pretend the problems only occur in ‘ poor’ towns . How many new towns are built as new ‘ poor’ towns?🙄 |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
I think I get you. You mean new towns don't have a diverse enough mix of age groups? For instance older people? I can see that, the old and settled are much less likely to move. I guess my question is what effect do they have on teenagers with nothing to do? If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. I just told you . The result of an influx of young families in new towns is that there is a lot more young people of the same age becoming teenagers together. The result is a lot more petty crime and drugs You can look at new towns as much as you want , the problems occur anyway . Don’t pretend the problems only occur in ‘ poor’ towns . How many new towns are built as new ‘ poor’ towns?🙄 Still don't get why new towns have more children than old ones. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 12, 2023 12:48:36 GMT
I just told you . The result of an influx of young families in new towns is that there is a lot more young people of the same age becoming teenagers together. The result is a lot more petty crime and drugs You can look at new towns as much as you want , the problems occur anyway . Don’t pretend the problems only occur in ‘ poor’ towns . How many new towns are built as new ‘ poor’ towns?🙄 Still don't get why new towns have more children than old ones. Yes it does seem that you can’t grasp it . let’s leave it there . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 12:51:36 GMT
Still don't get why new towns have more children than old ones. Yes it does seem that you can’t grasp it . let’s leave it there . And much else besides, apparently.
Yes - best left there.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 13:27:24 GMT
Still don't get why new towns have more children than old ones. Yes it does seem that you can’t grasp it . let’s leave it there . Fair do's. At least we agree to building enough houses and the benefits to the average British worker. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 13:29:07 GMT
Yes it does seem that you can’t grasp it . let’s leave it there . And much else besides, apparently.
Yes - best left there.
A gentle reminder that this is the mind zone, address the subject and no need for personal insults. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 12, 2023 14:25:47 GMT
Yes - thinking about this problem as a 'lack of houses' is missing most of the problem. There are houses in the UK that can be bought for a few grand. These houses are empty... ...If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. Which both go back to Orac's point that housing is needed in places. ie Places where there is an existing demand. nobody has a right to live in any particular location - if the cost of housing is too expensive where you want to live either find another job paying more or choose somewhere cheaper. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 12, 2023 15:01:22 GMT
This is a factor Labour have overlooked in their ambitious 'build on greenbelt', you will find a lot of greenbelt land is greenbelt because it's not near towns or cities, therefore will not have direct access to schools, GPs, dentists and so on, and I haven't heard Labour talking about building new schools, or funding for dentists and GP services, transport and so on.
That's why the Tories are concentrating on brownfield, where the infrastructure and services are more built up, you'll find young families main tick boxes, are Good schools, dentists and GPs and buses, then the older generation whos children have fled the nest will want to move in to the greenbelt areas, the only reason Labour want to build on greenbelt is because the Tories don't want to.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 15:04:12 GMT
Which both go back to Orac's point that housing is needed in places. ie Places where there is an existing demand. nobody has a right to live in any particular location - if the cost of housing is too expensive where you want to live either find another job paying more or choose somewhere cheaper. That's just crazy. There are areas in the UK desperate for workers but short of houses. There are areas with empty houses but no jobs. There are loads of ghost towns in Kansas you can live there for free, but no jobs |
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So bringing in about a million immigrants a year (at current rates) has NOTHING to do with the housing shortage? 
