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Post by zanygame on Oct 11, 2023 20:55:03 GMT
We could always have a cull instead. 🙄 But I find it amusing that you don't mind us being dependent on unstable countries for our energy but wouldn't give up a tiny bit of food security to give people homes. Drama queen. We haven't been self sufficient in food for decades. Nothing happens. If country A stops selling us food we go to country B,C DEFGHIJKLMNO....
Well build the infrastructure to go with them. And where do you think the people who need these houses get their infrastructure now?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2023 21:06:00 GMT
I think we need more detail on where the houses are to be built. This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum...  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 11, 2023 21:10:07 GMT
I think we need more detail on where the houses are to be built. This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum... Yes I think we need to stop tacking houses onto the edge of towns and villages and overwhelming their infrastructure. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 11, 2023 21:11:53 GMT
This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum... Yes I think we need to stop tacking houses onto the edge of towns and villages and overwhelming their infrastructure. New towns are a horrendous idea . Far worse that tacking houses on to existing towns …imo. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 11, 2023 21:17:37 GMT
Yes I think we need to stop tacking houses onto the edge of towns and villages and overwhelming their infrastructure. New towns are a horrendous idea . Far worse that tacking houses on to existing towns …imo. May I ask why? We don't think existing towns are a bad idea. The problem with expanding towns and villages is Nimbism. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 11, 2023 21:25:58 GMT
New towns are a horrendous idea . Far worse that tacking houses on to existing towns …imo. May I ask why? We don't think existing towns are a bad idea. The problem with expanding towns and villages is Nimbism. Simple . New towns means an influx of new families with young children . Give it ten years and you a high proportion of teenagers with nothing to do. So you get petty crime , drugs and gangs . Ping pong and karate clubs won’t stop it . Better to tack smaller estates on existing towns . |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2023 21:32:05 GMT
This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum... Yes I think we need to stop tacking houses onto the edge of towns and villages and overwhelming their infrastructure. We already have plenty of existing housing - but people do not want to live there.. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 11, 2023 22:27:48 GMT
No. Stopping the torrent of freeloaders rocking up to steal a home from a citizen already here will do far more than ripping up more and more land to turn over to more and more ripoff opportunities for millionaire landlords. If you want to undo fifty years of boom and bust house price insanity we need to go back to local authority key worker housing at subsidised rates. And i mean key WORKER housing for people with JOBS. You’d be amazed how fast bone idle loafers would take jobs if they came with such subsidised benefits. That’s how New Towns found the workers they needed for the industries they were built to provide a local workforce for in the fifties The last thing we should do is provide an even bigger income stream for the multi millionaires currently funded from their idle tenant’s housing benefits paid for from my bloody tax I can recall one our technicians moving to our construction site and being classed as a key worker and getting a local authority house for his family back in about 1972. Cwmbran New Town was created before then but by the 1980’s the development corporation had engaged in, and almost completed, a phase of private and public housing development. There were numerous factories, high tech industries and lower tech production lines, a tinplating works, a cottage hospital in the firmer village a mile or two to the north… At the point i joined a high tech company there literally a thousand council properties were being built for workers relocating to businesses in the area … we moved to a private development in the larger town a few miles south because we needed the better rail connections there. But all these places were still affordable and in particular the council properties had tribunal-fixed rents and were largely occupied by blue collar heavy industry employees and junior and mid range nursing and ancillary staff. It all worked. Today it’s a train wreck |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 6:07:07 GMT
I think we need more detail on where the houses are to be built. This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum... I don't think that's the issue.
No one wants more houses without the supporting infrastructure near them.
There's a lot of building going on a mile up the road from me but where are the schools, hospitals, GP surgeries, parking facilities, public transport etc to go with them?
Yes that's right: There isn't any.
And that's the problem: More people, more squeeze on already struggling existing facilities.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 6:08:59 GMT
Yes I think we need to stop tacking houses onto the edge of towns and villages and overwhelming their infrastructure. We already have plenty of existing housing - but people do not want to live there.. Which rather blows the WFH argument out of the window. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 12, 2023 6:27:37 GMT
Drama queen. We haven't been self sufficient in food for decades. Nothing happens. And we have become more dependent / less independent / less democratic as result. This would just be an amplification of that. You say it is 'no issue', but you also recall the recent threats to starve us into submission over the Brexit thing? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 12, 2023 6:30:47 GMT
This is the basic issue - nobody wants more houses near them. Until someone solves that conundrum... I don't think that's the issue.
No one wants more houses without the supporting infrastructure near them.
There's a lot of building going on a mile up the road from me but where are the schools, hospitals, GP surgeries, parking facilities, public transport etc to go with them?
Yes that's right: There isn't any.
And that's the problem: More people, more squeeze on already struggling existing facilities.
Yes - thinking about this problem as a 'lack of houses' is missing most of the problem. There are houses in the UK that can be bought for a few grand. These houses are empty. Edit to add...i see you have already highlighted this. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 6:50:38 GMT
May I ask why? We don't think existing towns are a bad idea. The problem with expanding towns and villages is Nimbism. Simple . New towns means an influx of new families with young children . Give it ten years and you a high proportion of teenagers with nothing to do. So you get petty crime , drugs and gangs . Ping pong and karate clubs won’t stop it . Better to tack smaller estates on existing towns . I think I get you. You mean new towns don't have a diverse enough mix of age groups? For instance older people? I can see that, the old and settled are much less likely to move. I guess my question is what effect do they have on teenagers with nothing to do? If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 12, 2023 6:54:15 GMT
We already have plenty of existing housing - but people do not want to live there.. Which rather blows the WFH argument out of the window. Well no, there has to be work as well. You could move work to county Durham if that's possible? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 6:55:16 GMT
Yes - thinking about this problem as a 'lack of houses' is missing most of the problem. There are houses in the UK that can be bought for a few grand. These houses are empty... ...If I look at problem areas they are not in new towns by any measure, but in poor towns with (As you say) nothing to do. Which both go back to Orac's point that housing is needed in places. ie Places where there is an existing demand. |
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