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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 16:50:12 GMT
Unions should of been the jewel in the left wing crown .
They had the capacity to finance Labour ( I paid ‘ political’ for a number of years ) , temper the excesses of the Marxists , being the voice of the working person, along with their day job of protecting and enforcing workers rights .
As a movement they failed on all of these except perhaps the first .
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Post by see2 on Oct 9, 2023 16:55:13 GMT
Left Support the myth of a patriarchy Support the lie of white privilege. Support racism against white people. Support white collective guilt . Support delusional sexual identities . Import US race issues . Support high immigration . That’s a start … Just posting "Left" is such a broad brush approach, who are these people? I would like to see you provide unequivocal evidence of the truth in your first five comments posted. Unequivocal evidence in any one of the first five will do. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 17:01:06 GMT
and fascism and nazism. They are all shades of the same left-wing authoritarian shit.
I'm a classical liberal - I believe in the small state and minimal interference.
The left are the antithesis of that.
You are a classic distorter of the truth, the Left is the concerned side of politics in a society (I consider myself to be Center-Left). If politics gave the supposed simple freedoms that are being suggested, the right, where true Fascism and Nazism fester, would soon show people that their true freedom does not lie in the hands of the money-power that dominates the Political Right. Please provide unequivocal evidence that TSM is a classic distorter of the truth . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 17:02:04 GMT
For me the reason people dislike the left is because more often than not they are trying to force their politic upon us in every nook and cranny as opposed to the right whose politic is generally smaller with less interference The left is about committees and independent inquiries ,the nanny state and what you can't do rather than what you can . There's no difference between communism and socialism except one is imposed on you and you vote for the other , look at it as the difference between murder and suicide , the result is the same At last a serious point. I am not sure the left try to force their point on anyone and it more a question of the media accusing the left of a blanket opinion on certain issues. Take trans rights, I believe people have a right to be what they are, as do many on the left and right and it is only a very small number but the media make out that the left are calling for 'all' people to be be in some way trans, which just isn't true. I also agree that the left do 'seem' to be committee heavy but isn't that democracy, views from all sides? You last point is absolutely rubbish and you know it. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 9, 2023 17:02:26 GMT
Unions should of been the jewel in the left wing crown . They had the capacity to finance Labour ( I paid ‘ political’ for a number of years ) , temper the excesses of the Marxists , being the voice of the working person, along with their day job of protecting and enforcing workers rights . As a movement they failed on all of these except perhaps the first . I agree. My impression of some Unions, like some examples elsewhere, is that it is so often the ones driven by their extremism, the biggest mouths and the smallest brains that work themselves to the top. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 17:03:17 GMT
Most "working" people are not in a trade union. The trade unions represent those in the Civil Service, school teachers, the NHS, railway staff and so on, most people who work for small independent organizations, or people who work for themselves under IR35 do not wish to be part of a union. The days of unions being necessary are long gone, health and safety regulations, working times directive and so on make unions superfluous, they are only there to push a marxist agenda, make outrageous pay demands (currently 35% for doctors) and exert anti tory pressures where they can. We don't need unions, and proper "working" people realise that. Ever since Mrs Thatcher "working" people increasingly vote Tory because they are/were better off under a Conservative Government, but less so these days. I'm not keen on Unions but there is no doubt in my mind that many working people do need some organisation behind them to both defend their present position and to advance them in times of need. I can't stand Union Leaders who what to impose political change. But working people do need legal backup in the same way that many professional workers do. Mrs. Thatcher had unemployment at one time up 4million, that meant that thousands of small businesses and many not so small had crashed. Over 3million children living in relative poverty, and the majority of state school children in under financed schools. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of the things she got wrong. Please provide unequivocal evidence that many working people need some organisation behind them to defend their present position and to advance in time of need. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 9, 2023 17:03:22 GMT
You are a classic distorter of the truth, the Left is the concerned side of politics in a society (I consider myself to be Center-Left). If politics gave the supposed simple freedoms that are being suggested, the right, where true Fascism and Nazism fester, would soon show people that their true freedom does not lie in the hands of the money-power that dominates the Political Right. Please provide unequivocal evidence that TSM is a classic distorter of the truth . No problem, but you first. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 17:05:18 GMT
For me the reason people dislike the left is because more often than not they are trying to force their politic upon us in every nook and cranny as opposed to the right whose politic is generally smaller with less interference The left is about committees and independent inquiries ,the nanny state and what you can't do rather than what you can . There's no difference between communism and socialism except one is imposed on you and you vote for the other , look at it as the difference between murder and suicide , the result is the same and fascism and nazism. They are all shades of the same left-wing authoritarian shit.
I'm a classical liberal - I believe in the small state and minimal interference.
The left are the antithesis of that.
The left do believe in a state capable of looking out for those that need it, homing them, feeding them......... Fascism and Nazism?? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 17:05:21 GMT
Unions should of been the jewel in the left wing crown . They had the capacity to finance Labour ( I paid ‘ political’ for a number of years ) , temper the excesses of the Marxists , being the voice of the working person, along with their day job of protecting and enforcing workers rights . As a movement they failed on all of these except perhaps the first . I agree. My impression of some Unions, like some examples elsewhere, is that it is so often the ones driven by their extremism, the biggest mouths and the smallest brains that work themselves to the top. Please provide unequivocal evidence that the biggest mouths and the smallest brains work themselves to the top of trade unions . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 17:05:56 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 17:06:17 GMT
Please provide unequivocal evidence that TSM is a classic distorter of the truth . No problem, but you first. No you first . Your post was before mine . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 9, 2023 17:18:26 GMT
The left do believe in a state capable of looking out for those that need it, homing them, feeding them......... them, under the guise of that alleged care while suggesting that some "Other" is the cause of all their ills. Yes. Exactly as Fascism and Nazism (and Communism and Socialism and "Modern" leftism) did and does: "The Jews, The Middle Class, White Privelige, The Rich, The Police" etc. etc. "Are your enemy and only we can protect you..." Same old, same old, tired old schtick. The only enemy of the people are the control-freak left. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 17:18:45 GMT
Left Support the myth of a patriarchy Support the lie of white privilege. Support racism against white people. Support white collective guilt . Support delusional sexual identities . Import US race issues . Support high immigration . That’s a start … Most societies are a patriarchy, although that is slowly changing. I think your point refers to Labour never having a female leader, correct me if I am wrong, the members of the Labour party vote for who they think will be the best leader, I voted for a woman in the last leader election as many others did but we accept democracy. Voting a leader just because they are female is lunacy as shown in the recent past. "White privilege is a concept that highlights the unfair societal advantages that white people have over non-white people. It is something that is pervasive throughout society and exists in all of the major systems and institutions that operate in society, as well as on an interpersonal level". People that deny white people have historically done better than black people in this country are delusional. I do not support the idea of 'employing people because they are a minority' but I can see the point. Do you feel guilty? This is just a mind game that people play on your to garner your support for their cause. Do you not believe that some people are 'different' to the norm? Prejudice is not an imported race issue, it happens here. The left supports immigration when it is needed, one of the things I always hear is 'the left want open borders', this is a lie. None of this is from your own head it is all regurgitated from the likes of The Mail, GBNews........ |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2023 17:19:40 GMT
Left Support the myth of a patriarchy Support the lie of white privilege. Support racism against white people. Support white collective guilt . Support delusional sexual identities . Import US race issues . Support high immigration . That’s a start … Right Doesn’t support the myth of patriarchy…or Support the lie of white privilege. Support racism against white people. Support white collective guilt . Support delusional sexual identities . Import US race issues . Support high immigration . Just for Ctoo. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 17:22:44 GMT
The left do believe in a state capable of looking out for those that need it, homing them, feeding them......... them, under the guise of that alleged care while suggesting that some "Other" is the cause of all their ills. Yes. Exactly as Fascism and Nazism (and Communism and Socialism and "Modern" leftism) did and does: "The Jews, The Middle Class, White Privelige, The Rich, The Police" etc. etc. "Are your enemy and only we can protect you..." Same old, same old, tired old schtick. The only enemy of the people are the control-freak left. So the NHS is 'control'? The welfare state is 'control'. There have been plenty of fascist, communist states but the Tories have come the closest to it than any other. No ideas of your own then. |
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