Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 10:31:05 GMT
Plenty of room for Gaza asylum seekers in other Muslim countries . I'd guess a lot of them would have a right to a passport from Egypt or other Arabic country. Not that they want one. It might diminish their "refugee camp" status. |
|
|
|
Post by ratcliff on Oct 23, 2023 11:13:37 GMT
Centre left? Don't make me laugh - he is simply the vanilla front man puppet with the left's fingers pulling all the strings in the background - when he tried to fire the appallingly gobby, out partying all night on the beer ginger growler , Rayner, he discovered he wasn't allowed to as she's a union plant and he's now had to appoint he shadow deputy PM. Oh, you have real problems come the next GE. When Labour win, Starmer will immediately resign, Corbyn will be re-admitted and be made PM. 🤣 I agree that if Labour are elected Starmer will be in waiting on his knee for a P45 ,but he can retire on his specially made legal, just for him, CPS boss personal pension if Capt Hindsight gets bored being a double for Max Headroom |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 13:21:10 GMT
What is insidious about it? Egypt are bound by treaties we know nothing about but we do know that Israel is a 'rogue' nation and liable to attack any country that they deem is helping terrorists be they that or not. You are arguing a point from our perspective in a land that does not share those values. Are you seriously making a case for the UK not accepting asylum seekers because Egypt will not, at this time? Kind of defeats the purpose of Brexit doesn't it? You are doing your "we" thing again to bolster your opinion, when "we" know no such thing. Israel is a legitimate nation. The rest of your post seems like nonsense, too. Which is expected from the left. Do you not believe Israel is an apartheid state that has been abusing the populations of Gaza and the West Bank? We all know it but are afraid of being called anti-Semite for saying it out loud. "According to the United Nations, Israel has been condemned in 140 resolutions since 2015, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries combined". UN “There is today in the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967 a deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system that privileges the 700,000 Israeli Jewish settlers living in the 300 illegal Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank,” said Michael Lynk, the UN Special Rapporteur for the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967". UN |
|
|
|
Post by Fairsociety on Oct 23, 2023 13:35:12 GMT
You are doing your "we" thing again to bolster your opinion, when "we" know no such thing. Israel is a legitimate nation. The rest of your post seems like nonsense, too. Which is expected from the left. Do you not believe Israel is an apartheid state that has been abusing the populations of Gaza and the West Bank? We all know it but are afraid of being called anti-Semite for saying it out loud. "According to the United Nations, Israel has been condemned in 140 resolutions since 2015, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries combined". UN “There is today in the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967 a deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system that privileges the 700,000 Israeli Jewish settlers living in the 300 illegal Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank,” said Michael Lynk, the UN Special Rapporteur for the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967". UN Not been funny but Muslims (not all) seem to think they can enter any country in the world and abuse its population, and when they can't have all their own way they threaten terrorism or to blow the place to bits, given half a chance in the UK they'd demolish every place of worship except Mosques, and we'd all have to convert to Islam.
Muslims do not, and will not accept other religions, they are not tolerant to other other religions, in their eyes the Muslim faith is the only one that should be recognised, they have no respect for the country they choose to reside, they are disrespectful, entitled intolerant to other faiths.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 13:46:28 GMT
Do you not believe Israel is an apartheid state that has been abusing the populations of Gaza and the West Bank? We all know it but are afraid of being called anti-Semite for saying it out loud. "According to the United Nations, Israel has been condemned in 140 resolutions since 2015, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries combined". UN “There is today in the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967 a deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system that privileges the 700,000 Israeli Jewish settlers living in the 300 illegal Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank,” said Michael Lynk, the UN Special Rapporteur for the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967". UN Not been funny but Muslims (not all) seem to think they can enter any country in the world and abuse its population, and when they can't have all their own way they threaten terrorism or to blow the place to bits, given half a chance in the UK they'd demolish every place of worship except Mosques, and we'd all have to convert to Islam.
Muslims do not, and will not accept other religions, they are not tolerant to other other religions, in their eyes the Muslim faith is the only one that should be recognised, they have no respect for the country they choose to reside, they are disrespectful, entitled intolerant to other faiths.
Are you saying all Muslims or just a small minority? Muslims are, of course, tolerant of other religions, in fact Islam is practiced in many countries in many different ways, much like Christianity. Which Muslim faith are you talking about? What has that to do with Israel being an aparthied state? |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2023 13:51:25 GMT
It seems 'politics of the area' takes precedence over accepting refugees. If the UK tries to place politics, and the safety of its own citizens, above the 'rights' of refugees then the left are up in arms at the inhuman approach of the political class. However come Israel and the Arab world and understanding of 'the politics of the area' oozes from every pore. As I said, as I keep saying, it is the hypocrisy of the left with their ability to turn their morality on its head dependant on who is 'victim' and who is 'persecutor'. The whole point that the left continually make is irrespective of any situation we are duty bound to accept refugees as they are in danger. However come Gaza and Israel and Egypt politics can be played to the full with people's lives. What an insidiously two faced game the left plays. What is insidious about it? Egypt are bound by treaties we know nothing about but we do know that Israel is a 'rogue' nation and liable to attack any country that they deem is helping terrorists be they that or not. You are arguing a point from our perspective in a land that does not share those values. Are you seriously making a case for the UK not accepting asylum seekers because Egypt will not, at this time? Kind of defeats the purpose of Brexit doesn't it? They share the value of the refugee convention. There are no different values as regards that outlook, the Gazans are not dangerous they are in danger. Acceptance of refugees does not depend on political outlook according to the left the only criteria is are they seeking safety from persecution or danger. According to you they are seeking asylum from both. As regards the 'effect' on Egypt of accepting asylum claims if you say that it will have a political and safety effect on Egypt then why would it be wrong for the UK to deliver the same reasons for sending the small boats back or even stopping them mid channel. I still cannot believe the double standards being applied and the assurance with which the left adopt their holier than thou but duplicitous moral code. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Oct 23, 2023 13:55:13 GMT
Not been funny but Muslims (not all) seem to think they can enter any country in the world and abuse its population, and when they can't have all their own way they threaten terrorism or to blow the place to bits, given half a chance in the UK they'd demolish every place of worship except Mosques, and we'd all have to convert to Islam.
Muslims do not, and will not accept other religions, they are not tolerant to other other religions, in their eyes the Muslim faith is the only one that should be recognised, they have no respect for the country they choose to reside, they are disrespectful, entitled intolerant to other faiths.
Are you saying all Muslims or just a small minority? Muslims are, of course, tolerant of other religions, in fact Islam is practiced in many countries in many different ways, much like Christianity. Which Muslim faith are you talking about? What has that to do with Israel being an aparthied state? Does not matter the small minority comes with the majority as part of teh package. If you are referring to apartheid as being wrong then the Arab lands abound in similar discriminations, Coptic Christians, Kurds, Marsh Arabs and of course Jews. |
|
|
|
Post by Fairsociety on Oct 23, 2023 13:55:57 GMT
Not been funny but Muslims (not all) seem to think they can enter any country in the world and abuse its population, and when they can't have all their own way they threaten terrorism or to blow the place to bits, given half a chance in the UK they'd demolish every place of worship except Mosques, and we'd all have to convert to Islam.
Muslims do not, and will not accept other religions, they are not tolerant to other other religions, in their eyes the Muslim faith is the only one that should be recognised, they have no respect for the country they choose to reside, they are disrespectful, entitled intolerant to other faiths.
Are you saying all Muslims or just a small minority? Muslims are, of course, tolerant of other religions, in fact Islam is practiced in many countries in many different ways, much like Christianity. Which Muslim faith are you talking about?What has that to do with Israel being an aparthied state? What do you mean, 'which Muslim faith are you talking about'? The faith that follows Muhammad as their Prophet, what other kind is there?
And I did say 'not all'.
'What it has to do with Israel', because those Jews who live in the UK are being targeted by antisemitic racism, which include Muslims.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 19:56:46 GMT
Keir Starmer is "Centre Left" or what some descrime as "Social Democrat" or "Moderate Left" He does not believe for example in wholesale nationalisation, or nationalisation of industry; He does not believe in a radical programme or agenda which involves spending billions of pounds of borrowed money; He has repeated over and over again that the Labour manifest ( when published ) going into the general election will all be fully costed. Those on the Left have been critical of Starmer, people like Len McCluskey and others, who say that Starmer is not radical enough, but Starmer does not belong to that wing of the Labour Party. Starmer knows that come the general election, the Conservatives (and others) will go through his manifesto with a fine tooth comb, looking to pull apart spending pledges. There are on-going struggles with some constituency parties, where local members want to put Corbynite candidates forward as prospective parliamentary candidates, but Starmer will have none of it, the party is now ONE political Party, not TWO, the civil war is over. Centre left? Don't make me laugh - he is simply the vanilla front man puppet with the left's fingers pulling all the strings in the background - when he tried to fire the appallingly gobby, out partying all night on the beer ginger growler , Rayner, he discovered he wasn't allowed to as she's a union plant and he's now had to appoint he shadow deputy PM. Keir Starmer was the favourite choice of members of the Labour Party to lead the party, in other words he was fairly elected as leader, therefore the accusation of him been a "front man" is complete nonsense. The deputy leader of the party was also elected, not appointed. The Labour Party including the Parliamentary Party, the National Executive, the Policy Forum and the membership is now dominated by the middle ground and moderate Left, the civil war in the Labour Party is over, its now the Tories turn to fight one another. |
|
|
|
Post by Fairsociety on Oct 23, 2023 20:32:42 GMT
Centre left? Don't make me laugh - he is simply the vanilla front man puppet with the left's fingers pulling all the strings in the background - when he tried to fire the appallingly gobby, out partying all night on the beer ginger growler , Rayner, he discovered he wasn't allowed to as she's a union plant and he's now had to appoint he shadow deputy PM. Keir Starmer was the favourite choice of members of the Labour Party to lead the party, in other words he was fairly elected as leader, therefore the accusation of him been a "front man" is complete nonsense. The deputy leader of the party was also elected, not appointed. The Labour Party including the Parliamentary Party, the National Executive, the Policy Forum and the membership is now dominated by the middle ground and moderate Left, the civil war in the Labour Party is over, its now the Tories turn to fight one another. LOL ........ don't have us laughing our heads off sid.
Starmer was picked as Labour party leader because he was the 'best' of a bad bunch, so you can imagine how bad the rest were.
He is a 'Front man', there is no ifs, buts about it, if they are elected at the next GE Starmer wont last a year, the REAL leader will be put in place 'Angela Rayner'.
A hardline Union fanatic, who will take the UK right down that route, she's a loud mouthed, uneducated simpleton, who is using a well educated, swarve ex-DPP human rights lawyer to put Labour in to power ......... then the useful idiot will be kicked out just like Boris Johnson, and the leader the Labour party really want to govern 'they' will choose ....... Rayner.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2023 21:02:30 GMT
Starmer was not "picked as Labour leader" he ran in a leadership election, in which he gained more than twice the votes of his nearest rival "Rebecca Long Bailey" who came a long way behind in second place.
Your assertion that he is a "front man" is based upon what evidence ?
The far left are no longer in control of the Labour Party, many have left the party, including those who were entryists from far Left movements such as the Socialist Workers Party.
Corbynism is dead, and the Corbynite movement ( Momentum ) is dead, and Keir Starmer can only be removed as leader by the Parliamentary Labour Party, who are overwhelmingly of the middle and moderate Left.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 4:40:02 GMT
What is insidious about it? Egypt are bound by treaties we know nothing about but we do know that Israel is a 'rogue' nation and liable to attack any country that they deem is helping terrorists be they that or not. You are arguing a point from our perspective in a land that does not share those values. Are you seriously making a case for the UK not accepting asylum seekers because Egypt will not, at this time? Kind of defeats the purpose of Brexit doesn't it? They share the value of the refugee convention. There are no different values as regards that outlook, the Gazans are not dangerous they are in danger. Acceptance of refugees does not depend on political outlook according to the left the only criteria is are they seeking safety from persecution or danger. According to you they are seeking asylum from both. As regards the 'effect' on Egypt of accepting asylum claims if you say that it will have a political and safety effect on Egypt then why would it be wrong for the UK to deliver the same reasons for sending the small boats back or even stopping them mid channel. I still cannot believe the double standards being applied and the assurance with which the left adopt their holier than thou but duplicitous moral code. Comparing what is happening at the border with Egypt and what is happening across the channel is stupid, they are worlds apart in consequences. There is no threat of all out war in the UK because a few boats with asylum seekers are crossing the channel, remember it is you lot that say France is a safe country. In the UK we have the ability to process asylum seekers and 'weed' out any undesirables, this becomes almost impossible at the Egypt/Gaza border. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 6:54:33 GMT
Starmer was not "picked as Labour leader" he ran in a leadership election, in which he gained more than twice the votes of his nearest rival "Rebecca Long Bailey" who came a long way behind in second place. Your assertion that he is a "front man" is based upon what evidence ? The far left are no longer in control of the Labour Party, many have left the party, including those who were entryists from far Left movements such as the Socialist Workers Party. Corbynism is dead, and the Corbynite movement ( Momentum ) is dead, and Keir Starmer can only be removed as leader by the Parliamentary Labour Party, who are overwhelmingly of the middle and moderate Left. The first rule about Labour is to never trust a word they say.
The far-left is part of Labour. It will function as the fascist mob to shut down all who opposes Labour's actions, which are things Labour doesn't tell us about until they do it. Basically, what happened under Blairism will happen under Starmer, only now Starmer has more confident Jihadis, far-left smellies and draconian laws to attack the good people with. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 7:42:57 GMT
Starmer was not "picked as Labour leader" he ran in a leadership election, in which he gained more than twice the votes of his nearest rival "Rebecca Long Bailey" who came a long way behind in second place. Your assertion that he is a "front man" is based upon what evidence ? The far left are no longer in control of the Labour Party, many have left the party, including those who were entryists from far Left movements such as the Socialist Workers Party. Corbynism is dead, and the Corbynite movement ( Momentum ) is dead, and Keir Starmer can only be removed as leader by the Parliamentary Labour Party, who are overwhelmingly of the middle and moderate Left. The first rule about Labour is to never trust a word they say.
The far-left is part of Labour. It will function as the fascist mob to shut down all who opposes Labour's actions, which are things Labour doesn't tell us about until they do it. Basically, what happened under Blairism will happen under Starmer, only now Starmer has more confident Jihadis, far-left smellies and draconian laws to attack the good people with. Yes - there has always been the far Left in the Labour Party, just the same as there has always been the far right in the Conservative Party. The difference is that the far Left in the Labour Party now barely exists, but over the years the far Right in the Conservative Party has grown, they were once relatively small, known as "The Monday Club", but today they are Populists, modelled on other populist movements and leaders such as Trump. The civil war is just below the surface in the Conservative Party, but the knives are been sharpened, and soon it will boil over. If the Tory party is taken over by the Populists, it will set this country back generations, and it will divide British society like its never been divided before in modern times. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 7:51:36 GMT
Far-right in the Tory party? If you mean fanatical anarcho-capitalists who look at borders as an obstacle to cheap labour then I agree, far-right economics can get out of hand. However, if you mean far-right as in disgruntled ex-Labour supporters who Labour referred to as "bigots" then I disagree. I think most of those are nomads today.
|
|
