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Post by buccaneer on Oct 21, 2023 10:21:04 GMT
There is also another reason why Egypt is very reluctant to take Palestinian refugees - they are frightened that the ongoing conflict with Israel would be imported into Egypt, and terror attacks planned and / or launched from Egypt, thereby dragging Egypt into the fight. The Egyptian government is also wary of its own population, who are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians, they basically want to keep the conflict at arms length. So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 11:00:00 GMT
There is also another reason why Egypt is very reluctant to take Palestinian refugees - they are frightened that the ongoing conflict with Israel would be imported into Egypt, and terror attacks planned and / or launched from Egypt, thereby dragging Egypt into the fight. The Egyptian government is also wary of its own population, who are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians, they basically want to keep the conflict at arms length. So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
Do we have a border with Israel? Astute processing will 'weed' out any possible threat to our country from 'fake' asylum seekers, that is if we processed them. By siding so vociferously with Israel and giving them the green light to do whatever they want we are making ourselves a target for the terrorists. Genuine asylum seekers are not a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 11:28:13 GMT
There is also another reason why Egypt is very reluctant to take Palestinian refugees - they are frightened that the ongoing conflict with Israel would be imported into Egypt, and terror attacks planned and / or launched from Egypt, thereby dragging Egypt into the fight. The Egyptian government is also wary of its own population, who are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians, they basically want to keep the conflict at arms length. So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
Nige mentioned something about a terrorist attack recently. The news was buried by the terrorist attack in Brussels where a couple of people were shot. There's like literally no gossip about it, which goes to show how controlled our media really is. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 21, 2023 12:16:18 GMT
There is also another reason why Egypt is very reluctant to take Palestinian refugees - they are frightened that the ongoing conflict with Israel would be imported into Egypt, and terror attacks planned and / or launched from Egypt, thereby dragging Egypt into the fight. The Egyptian government is also wary of its own population, who are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians, they basically want to keep the conflict at arms length. What? You mean that they don't want to import terrorists?
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2023 14:16:25 GMT
To put it simply why does the left not criticise Egypt and Jordan for refusing to take Palestinian refugees moving directly from persecution and war crimes but castigates Britain for trying to stop refugees arriving from countries many thousands of miles away? Do you not read the news? Israel have threatened Egypt that it will attack aid convoys coming in to Gaza without their express permission, this has just been granted and the aid is starting to arrive. Israel ordered civilians to go to the Raffa crossing area and then proceeded to bomb them. Egypt has asked for safe zones to be put up in Gaza but Israel have refused. Egypt does not wand a war with Israel and are cautious of any action that could lead to that scenario. It is one thing to accept asylum seekers but another to end up in a war situation. So let us get this right, the people in Gaza are being bombed everywhere and Egypt will not let them out. So if there is a danger to Egypt they can ignore all asylum agreements, with no criticism from the left, in fact wide ranging support from the left. In is one thing to accept asylum seekers but another to have lodas of terrorists in your country. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 21, 2023 14:23:43 GMT
We are now having to 'accept' the rules of the EU whenever our businesses do business with EU countries, with now no say in their creation. The Tories have allowed record numbers of Immigrants into this country. Minorities should have a voice, shouldn't they? Woke is different to different people. The planet is important, would you not agree. Less speed saves lives. Oil is killing the planet. You mention Starmer a lot but I would not consider him the 'left'. We accept EU rules because as I've said a thousand times the civil service and the vast majority of MP's are pro EU. Behind the scenes the referendum means nothing. The only reason the government allowed that long overdue referendum is because they were convinced the elctorate would vote remain. If the government had even for a moment thought there was a chance the leave campaign would win, then the referendum would not have happened. Pro EU Starmer is likely to be the next prime minister which will be the final nail in the referendum coffin. The referendum was a facade, a token gesture to give the impression of democracy, nothing more. I agree, this government continue to allow record number of immigrants both legal and illegal into this country. They don't have to, but as I've just said, the government will not upset the EU. But if you think it's bad now, which it undoubtedly is, just wait until Labour are in charge. And of course minorities should have a voice, but minorities should not come before the majority and it should be made absolutely crystal clear that it's up to them to accept our rules, our laws, our customs and traditions, our way of life, they should fit in around us not the other way around. If they don't like that arrangement they should be invited to sod off back to the EU. You claim Starmer is not left wing! lol behave yourself. He tried to put Marxist Corbyn into number 10, for three years he demanded the referendum was overturned, he still says he will 'respect' EU free movement rules, and he was a member of the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers. But you reckon he's not left wing! I'll be generous and say, you're mistaken. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2023 14:47:59 GMT
So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
Do we have a border with Israel? Astute processing will 'weed' out any possible threat to our country from 'fake' asylum seekers, that is if we processed them. By siding so vociferously with Israel and giving them the green light to do whatever they want we are making ourselves a target for the terrorists. Genuine asylum seekers are not a problem. We do not have a border with anyone except Eire and that dose not seem to stop anyone from coming nor from teh left demanding we take them. Genuine asylum seekers seem to be very much a problem for both Egypt and Jordan who are in a much better position to carry out 'astute' processing whatever that means. Actually one of Egypt's stated problems was that there would be no returns if they accepted asylum seekers. That would be a fair way for us to operate would it not? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 15:01:56 GMT
Keir Starmer is "Centre Left" or what some descrime as "Social Democrat" or "Moderate Left"
He does not believe for example in wholesale nationalisation, or nationalisation of industry; He does not believe in a radical programme or agenda which involves spending billions of pounds of borrowed money; He has repeated over and over again that the Labour manifest ( when published ) going into the general election will all be fully costed.
Those on the Left have been critical of Starmer, people like Len McCluskey and others, who say that Starmer is not radical enough, but Starmer does not belong to that wing of the Labour Party.
Starmer knows that come the general election, the Conservatives (and others) will go through his manifesto with a fine tooth comb, looking to pull apart spending pledges.
There are on-going struggles with some constituency parties, where local members want to put Corbynite candidates forward as prospective parliamentary candidates, but Starmer will have none of it, the party is now ONE political Party, not TWO, the civil war is over.
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 21, 2023 15:20:51 GMT
So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
Do we have a border with Israel? Astute processing will 'weed' out any possible threat to our country from 'fake' asylum seekers, that is if we processed them. By siding so vociferously with Israel and giving them the green light to do whatever they want we are making ourselves a target for the terrorists. Genuine asylum seekers are not a problem. So, Einstein, how would you know you are letting in a threat to the country upon processing? By all accounts this bloke was a genuine asylum seeker three years ago. If only we had your crystal ball. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 21, 2023 15:46:52 GMT
Do we have a border with Israel? Astute processing will 'weed' out any possible threat to our country from 'fake' asylum seekers, that is if we processed them. By siding so vociferously with Israel and giving them the green light to do whatever they want we are making ourselves a target for the terrorists. Genuine asylum seekers are not a problem. So, Einstein, how would you know you are letting in a threat to the country upon processing? By all accounts this bloke was a genuine asylum seeker three years ago. If only we had your crystal ball. Red talks bloody daft, when they come over on the dinghy express we haven't got the foggiest idea who's in them, because they chuck their IDs overboard, one way to sort it just deport anyone who has no ID, no ID no entry, no asylum, no nothing........ just fuck off back to France. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 21, 2023 15:50:22 GMT
So, Einstein, how would you know you are letting in a threat to the country upon processing? By all accounts this bloke was a genuine asylum seeker three years ago. If only we had your crystal ball. Red talks bloody daft, when they come over on the dinghy express we haven't got the foggiest idea who's in them, because they chuck their IDs overboard, one way to sort it just deport anyone who has no ID, no ID no entry, no asylum, no nothing........ just fuck off back to France. People like Red should go with them. His ilk are a menace to society. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 21, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
Red talks bloody daft, when they come over on the dinghy express we haven't got the foggiest idea who's in them, because they chuck their IDs overboard, one way to sort it just deport anyone who has no ID, no ID no entry, no asylum, no nothing........ just fuck off back to France. People like Red should go with them. His ilk are a menace to society. Especially Fairsociety  |
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Post by patman post on Oct 21, 2023 17:39:30 GMT
So the UK can do the same then and keep those fleeing Gaza out of Britain? Terrorist attack in UK linked to Gaza
An asylum seeker bent on avenging deaths in Gaza has carried out a suspected terrorist attack in Britain, The Telegraph can disclose.
The public has not been told that the man, who came to the UK in 2020, told police he had done it for “Palestine”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/20/terrorist-attack-in-uk-linked-to-gaza/
Nige mentioned something about a terrorist attack recently. The news was buried by the terrorist attack in Brussels where a couple of people were shot. There's like literally no gossip about it, which goes to show how controlled our media really is.So who controls “our media” (supposing you’re referring to legitimate news sources) — the government, MI5/MI6, the US, Russia, China, North Korea, etc? In the main, UK news media is commercially or trust owned. The BBC is established by a Royal Charter and is neither publicly owned nor Government-controlled… |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2023 18:15:56 GMT
Nige mentioned something about a terrorist attack recently. The news was buried by the terrorist attack in Brussels where a couple of people were shot. There's like literally no gossip about it, which goes to show how controlled our media really is.So who controls “our media” (supposing you’re referring to legitimate news sources) — the government, MI5/MI6, the US, Russia, China, North Korea, etc? In the main, UK news media is commercially or trust owned. The BBC is established by a Royal Charter and is neither publicly owned nor Government-controlled… Control is not the same as ownership. There is editorial direction in all news channels including GB news. The BBC slipped up the other day by allowing Matthew Goodwin to have a place in a discussion. We will probably not see him back again at Auntie as he was very critical of the Beeb and its news coverage. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 21, 2023 18:45:24 GMT
So who controls “our media” (supposing you’re referring to legitimate news sources) — the government, MI5/MI6, the US, Russia, China, North Korea, etc? In the main, UK news media is commercially or trust owned. The BBC is established by a Royal Charter and is neither publicly owned nor Government-controlled… Control is not the same as ownership. There is editorial direction in all news channels including GB news. The BBC slipped up the other day by allowing Matthew Goodwin to have a place in a discussion. We will probably not see him back again at Auntie as he was very critical of the Beeb and its news coverage. So who gives this “editorial direction” to “control” the media? The original observation about our media being controlled was no doubt a belly-guided reaction to not being able to find an echo for the poster’s own views. It’s a myth that an overall body is able to slap a D-notice on anything it doesn’t want published, or can dictate coverage for political motives. Proprietors and editors can and do cosy up to powerful bodies and individuals — some even angling for knighthoods and peerages — so it’s obvious some can be manipulated. But, on the whole, I’ve found the best of the British news media to be informative, truthful and reliable… |
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