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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 15:23:41 GMT
We do, we accept their arrival, we treat them as well as, if not better than, our own citizens and assess their claims. Egypt is right beside Gaza yet refuses to allow any refugees across its borders. Why are we held to higher account than others? If we process them why are we spending billions putting them up in hotels for years? Do not divert, they get to stay here pending their application being assessed. The question is why is Egypt not allowing refugees, who are directly fleeing persecution and war crimes according to you, to cross its borders and seeking to pen them in even if Israel sweeps through killing all before them, as many say is their intent. If we did that you would be up in arms, but somehow for Egypt you are strangely mute. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 16:14:08 GMT
If we process them why are we spending billions putting them up in hotels for years? Do not divert, they get to stay here pending their application being assessed. The question is why is Egypt not allowing refugees, who are directly fleeing persecution and war crimes according to you, to cross its borders and seeking to pen them in even if Israel sweeps through killing all before them, as many say is their intent. If we did that you would be up in arms, but somehow for Egypt you are strangely mute. That reply was to a different poster. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 19, 2023 16:25:28 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2023 17:20:39 GMT
What's wrong with Labour: Labour are... 1. Pro EU 2. Pro immigration 3. Pro any minority 4. Pro woke 5. Pro net zero 6. Pro ULEZ 7. Pro Just Stop Oil I'm surprised Starmer knows which way he's facing he's made that many U turns. Starmer pledged to bring public services name checking rail, mail, energy and water into “common ownership,” seen by many as a clear nod to nationalization of utilities long in private hands. Two years later he ruled out nationalisation. Starmer said he would stop the involvement of the private sector in the National Health Service. A couple of years later he said the party will “likely have to continue with” private provision in the health service. As public sector strikes hit Britain last summer, Starmer ordered Labour MP's not to appear alongside workers on picket lines. He even sacked Sam Tarry, a left-wing MP and his shadow rail minister, for appearing with striking rail workers despite the order. Starmer then promised that Labour would “work shoulder to shoulder with trade unions to stand up for working people”. Starmer demanded a second referendum on Brexit. After he became leader he didn’t renew that pledge, but he did vow to “defend free movement as we leave the EU.” Starmer promised to abolish Universal Credit, the overarching and famously complex system for people who claim social security payments. However, Starmer’s Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Jon Ashworth later said Labour “actually agrees” with the concept of Universal Credit.” In the 2020 leadership contest, Starmer ran as a bit of a leftie, suggesting he’d continue the work of ex-leader Corbyn. He even described him as a “friend.” He then barred Corbyn from standing as a Labour candidate and during an LBC interview denied they were ever friends. Starmer pledged to abolish university tuition fee's. In May this year that pledge was discreetly binned. Starmer pledged a future Labour government would invest £28 billion a year into green tech. Two years later Rachel Reeves poured cold water on that idea. In January this year Starmer pledged that Labour would guarantee childcare from the end of parental leave until the end of primary school. Six months later Labour’s Shadow Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson denied this was Labour policy. Oh there are loads I cant be bothered to go through any more. Suffice to say Starmer's Labour party seems to be full of policies that the vast majority of people don't like, as in points 1 to 7 above. Or after announcing policies he realises they are unaffordable and u turns. And you ask what's wrong with the left! |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 20:22:05 GMT
Do not divert, they get to stay here pending their application being assessed. The question is why is Egypt not allowing refugees, who are directly fleeing persecution and war crimes according to you, to cross its borders and seeking to pen them in even if Israel sweeps through killing all before them, as many say is their intent. If we did that you would be up in arms, but somehow for Egypt you are strangely mute. That reply was to a different poster. Not in my chain of quotes. Do you wish to try addressing the point about Egypt. It is Egypt that is keeping an escape corridor for real refugees closed. Jordan agrees with them and both countries refuse to take Palestinian refugees. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 7:10:11 GMT
What's wrong with Labour: Labour are... 1. Pro EU 2. Pro immigration 3. Pro any minority 4. Pro woke 5. Pro net zero 6. Pro ULEZ 7. Pro Just Stop Oil I'm surprised Starmer knows which way he's facing he's made that many U turns. Starmer pledged to bring public services name checking rail, mail, energy and water into “common ownership,” seen by many as a clear nod to nationalization of utilities long in private hands. Two years later he ruled out nationalisation. Starmer said he would stop the involvement of the private sector in the National Health Service. A couple of years later he said the party will “likely have to continue with” private provision in the health service. As public sector strikes hit Britain last summer, Starmer ordered Labour MP's not to appear alongside workers on picket lines. He even sacked Sam Tarry, a left-wing MP and his shadow rail minister, for appearing with striking rail workers despite the order. Starmer then promised that Labour would “work shoulder to shoulder with trade unions to stand up for working people”. Starmer demanded a second referendum on Brexit. After he became leader he didn’t renew that pledge, but he did vow to “defend free movement as we leave the EU.” Starmer promised to abolish Universal Credit, the overarching and famously complex system for people who claim social security payments. However, Starmer’s Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Jon Ashworth later said Labour “actually agrees” with the concept of Universal Credit.” In the 2020 leadership contest, Starmer ran as a bit of a leftie, suggesting he’d continue the work of ex-leader Corbyn. He even described him as a “friend.” He then barred Corbyn from standing as a Labour candidate and during an LBC interview denied they were ever friends. Starmer pledged to abolish university tuition fee's. In May this year that pledge was discreetly binned. Starmer pledged a future Labour government would invest £28 billion a year into green tech. Two years later Rachel Reeves poured cold water on that idea. In January this year Starmer pledged that Labour would guarantee childcare from the end of parental leave until the end of primary school. Six months later Labour’s Shadow Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson denied this was Labour policy. Oh there are loads I cant be bothered to go through any more. Suffice to say Starmer's Labour party seems to be full of policies that the vast majority of people don't like, as in points 1 to 7 above. Or after announcing policies he realises they are unaffordable and u turns. And you ask what's wrong with the left! We are now having to 'accept' the rules of the EU whenever our businesses do business with EU countries, with now no say in their creation. The Tories have allowed record numbers of Immigrants into this country. Minorities should have a voice, shouldn't they? Woke is different to different people. The planet is important, would you not agree. Less speed saves lives. Oil is killing the planet. You mention Starmer a lot but I would not consider him the 'left'. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 7:11:58 GMT
That reply was to a different poster. Not in my chain of quotes. Do you wish to try addressing the point about Egypt. It is Egypt that is keeping an escape corridor for real refugees closed. Jordan agrees with them and both countries refuse to take Palestinian refugees. You are incorrect it was a direct question to another poster. And you cannot see why, it is as obvious as the nose on your face. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 20, 2023 15:22:12 GMT
Not in my chain of quotes. Do you wish to try addressing the point about Egypt. It is Egypt that is keeping an escape corridor for real refugees closed. Jordan agrees with them and both countries refuse to take Palestinian refugees. You are incorrect it was a direct question to another poster. And you cannot see why, it is as obvious as the nose on your face. Possibly so however you asked that question in reply to me. Humour me, why is Egypt OK in the left book with not allowing in any Palestinian refugees? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 7:29:58 GMT
You are incorrect it was a direct question to another poster. And you cannot see why, it is as obvious as the nose on your face. Possibly so however you asked that question in reply to me. Humour me, why is Egypt OK in the left book with not allowing in any Palestinian refugees? Is that a serious question or just another attempt at trolling? |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 21, 2023 8:31:48 GMT
Possibly so however you asked that question in reply to me. Humour me, why is Egypt OK in the left book with not allowing in any Palestinian refugees? Is that a serious question or just another attempt at trolling? To put it simply why does the left not criticise Egypt and Jordan for refusing to take Palestinian refugees moving directly from persecution and war crimes but castigates Britain for trying to stop refugees arriving from countries many thousands of miles away? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 9:13:46 GMT
Is that a serious question or just another attempt at trolling? To put it simply why does the left not criticise Egypt and Jordan for refusing to take Palestinian refugees moving directly from persecution and war crimes but castigates Britain for trying to stop refugees arriving from countries many thousands of miles away? The hive mind hasn't told them to. They're only here to spam support for everything that is detrimental to this country. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 21, 2023 9:23:01 GMT
Possibly so however you asked that question in reply to me. Humour me, why is Egypt OK in the left book with not allowing in any Palestinian refugees? Is that a serious question or just another attempt at trolling? I think you're snookered, and it tis you who is doing the trolling. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 21, 2023 9:36:32 GMT
Palestinians entry into Egypt doesn't hurt of inconvenience the UK people and so Red has very little interest in the scenario?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 9:43:08 GMT
Is that a serious question or just another attempt at trolling? To put it simply why does the left not criticise Egypt and Jordan for refusing to take Palestinian refugees moving directly from persecution and war crimes but castigates Britain for trying to stop refugees arriving from countries many thousands of miles away? Do you not read the news? Israel have threatened Egypt that it will attack aid convoys coming in to Gaza without their express permission, this has just been granted and the aid is starting to arrive. Israel ordered civilians to go to the Raffa crossing area and then proceeded to bomb them. Egypt has asked for safe zones to be put up in Gaza but Israel have refused. Egypt does not wand a war with Israel and are cautious of any action that could lead to that scenario. It is one thing to accept asylum seekers but another to end up in a war situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2023 10:15:51 GMT
There is also another reason why Egypt is very reluctant to take Palestinian refugees - they are frightened that the ongoing conflict with Israel would be imported into Egypt, and terror attacks planned and / or launched from Egypt, thereby dragging Egypt into the fight.
The Egyptian government is also wary of its own population, who are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians, they basically want to keep the conflict at arms length.
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