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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 12:39:39 GMT
Don't you think, The blockade of Gaza, collective punishment, forced transfer of a million people, use of white phosphorous, targeting of schools and medical centres, strikes on refugee camps, telling people to move south and then bombing them.... War crimes? If they are trying to escape war crimes then Egypt must allow them to leave via their border, after all they are a signatory to the same conventions that binds us to accept almost anyone fleeing danger and persecution. Like we would? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 19, 2023 13:22:31 GMT
In the case of someone fleeing directly from an unsafe region, i think we usually do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 13:59:03 GMT
In the case of someone fleeing directly from an unsafe region , i think we usually do .When where the asylum seekers law changed? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 14:03:10 GMT
In the case of someone fleeing directly from an unsafe region , i think we usually do .When where the asylum seekers law changed? Don't start all that stupid nonsense again, nowhere in any law of the land does it say... 'migrants will be allowed to pay criminal people traffickers X.amount of money to hop in dinghies and illegally cross the channel in order to gain asylum in the UK ... it's not in any UK laws or for that matter any EU or UN or jackshit laws, and if it is ........ show us? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 19, 2023 14:03:31 GMT
In the case of someone fleeing directly from an unsafe region , i think we usually do .When where the asylum seekers law changed? I'm not sure what you mean. Someone fleeing directly from an unsafe country is likely to get asylum. Obviously, France isn't a unsafe country and the idea of anyone genuinely fleeing France is a bit absurd. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 19, 2023 14:33:11 GMT
If they are trying to escape war crimes then Egypt must allow them to leave via their border, after all they are a signatory to the same conventions that binds us to accept almost anyone fleeing danger and persecution. Like we would? We do, we accept their arrival, we treat them as well as, if not better than, our own citizens and assess their claims. Egypt is right beside Gaza yet refuses to allow any refugees across its borders. Why are we held to higher account than others? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 15:02:09 GMT
Who is we? Speak for yourself. You can't bolster your opinion by pretending that it is more than your own. Don't you think, The blockade of Gaza, collective punishment, forced transfer of a million people, use of white phosphorous, targeting of schools and medical centres, strikes on refugee camps, telling people to move south and then bombing them.... War crimes? NO. Is that clear enough? Because you weighted your questions with assumptions which may or may not be true. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 15:05:04 GMT
When where the asylum seekers law changed? Don't start all that stupid nonsense again, nowhere in any law of the land does it say... 'migrants will be allowed to pay criminal people traffickers X.amount of money to hop in dinghies and illegally cross the channel in order to gain asylum in the UK ... it's not in any UK laws or for that matter any EU or UN or jackshit laws, and if it is ........ show us? It does say they must not be penalised no matter how they get here. The UK signed up to the convention so it is in our laws, although we now appear to be going back on our word. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 15:07:10 GMT
When where the asylum seekers law changed? I'm not sure what you mean. Someone fleeing directly from an unsafe country is likely to get asylum. Obviously, France isn't a unsafe country and the idea of anyone genuinely fleeing France is a bit absurd. They do not have to come here directly from an unsafe country, that would be unfair on the countries surrounding was or climate change countries. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 15:08:04 GMT
We do, we accept their arrival, we treat them as well as, if not better than, our own citizens and assess their claims. Egypt is right beside Gaza yet refuses to allow any refugees across its borders. Why are we held to higher account than others? If we process them why are we spending billions putting them up in hotels for years? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2023 15:11:55 GMT
Don't you think, The blockade of Gaza, collective punishment, forced transfer of a million people, use of white phosphorous, targeting of schools and medical centres, strikes on refugee camps, telling people to move south and then bombing them.... War crimes? NO. Is that clear enough? Because you weighted your questions with assumptions which may or may not be true. You doubt the blockade of Gaza from land sea and air? You doubt the Israeli's have used white phosphorous? You doubt the Israeli's told Palestinians to flee south and then bobbed them? You doubt the Israeli's told over a million people to evacuate in 24 hours? You obviously don't listen to the news at all. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 19, 2023 15:14:14 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist loving cock. You can say that again. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 19, 2023 15:15:57 GMT
When people run out of sensible things to argue they refer back to Jeremy Corbyn.😂 The most Left-wing Labour Party Leader since Michael Foot and we are not supposed to mention him in a thread about the left of politics.. Dont be daft..  He still has huge support among party members. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2023 15:17:07 GMT
Don't start all that stupid nonsense again, nowhere in any law of the land does it say... 'migrants will be allowed to pay criminal people traffickers X.amount of money to hop in dinghies and illegally cross the channel in order to gain asylum in the UK ... it's not in any UK laws or for that matter any EU or UN or jackshit laws, and if it is ........ show us? I t does say they must not be penalised no matter how they get here.The UK signed up to the convention so it is in our laws, although we now appear to be going back on our word. You've just blatantly made that up, and when this government pulls its finger out they can use that as legal grounds to KICK them all out.
Just think about what you are saying, that would mean the UN the EU the UK were advocating criminal activity, these migrants are breaking the law by paying people traffickers, and you are honestly going to tell us these organizations are fine with that?
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Post by Orac on Oct 19, 2023 15:19:22 GMT
We do, we accept their arrival, we treat them as well as, if not better than, our own citizens and assess their claims. Egypt is right beside Gaza yet refuses to allow any refugees across its borders. Why are we held to higher account than others? If we process them why are we spending billions putting them up in hotels for years? Are you talking about the frauds who claim to be 'fleeing' France? I was talking about people crossing our border directly from a dangerous region - ie like Gaza strip to Egypt |
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