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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 2, 2023 15:49:27 GMT
Where they want to be! Are you for real? No one has a 'right' to enter this or any other country. The only reason we have millions of African criminals and vagrants crossing the channel is because the EU allow it, lets not forget the UK must be punished for Brexit, and sadly we have weak pro EU politicians who are more concerned about appeasing the EU than protecting the UK and British people. Part A: I agree finding refuge from torture or death should not include "Where I'd like to live" Part B: The EU do not ALLOW it. They simply don't STOP it. Just like we would if they were going the other way. I'm becoming concerned about you ZG. You used to be one of the more sensible lefties, these days you're ramblings are more in line with something Dappy would come out with. You are right, the EU don't stop criminals crossing the channel, therefor by definition, they allow it. And if hundreds of thousands of illegals were fleeing England bound for the EU/France, the EU and Macron would be going mental about it. The EU would be straight to the ECtHR to demand the British government were fined for not policing their borders, French fishermen would blockade ports, French farmers would bring Paris to a standstill and British HGV's would be torched as soon as they drove off ferries. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 16:48:38 GMT
Seems pretty straightforward to the rest of us, Zany. it would if you can only look in one direction. Great news that you've been elected speaker. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 16:51:53 GMT
Part A: I agree finding refuge from torture or death should not include "Where I'd like to live" Part B: The EU do not ALLOW it. They simply don't STOP it. Just like we would if they were going the other way. I'm becoming concerned about you ZG. You used to be one of the more sensible lefties, these days you're ramblings are more in line with something Dappy would come out with. You are right, the EU don't stop criminals crossing the channel, therefor by definition, they allow it. And if hundreds of thousands of illegals were fleeing England bound for the EU/France, the EU and Macron would be going mental about it. The EU would be straight to the ECtHR to demand the British government were fined for not policing their borders, French fishermen would blockade ports, French farmers would bring Paris to a standstill and British HGV's would be torched as soon as they drove off ferries. I speak as I find on every occasion. Sometimes the Left don't like it, sometimes the right. It is not a criminal offence to leave the EU. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2023 17:20:48 GMT
Seems pretty straightforward to the rest of us, Zany. it would if you can only look in one direction. Great news that you've been elected speaker. The irony.🙄 |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 18:23:45 GMT
it would if you can only look in one direction. Great news that you've been elected speaker. The irony.🙄 Nahh, that's an old joke, you need some new material. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 20:04:52 GMT
Slightly off topic.
I had an interesting conversation with a friend today, his son is at Eton and not enjoying it.
My friend is wandering what to do and mentioned that these Private schools teach self reliance.
I asked if his son would ever really need self reliance when his father was a multi millionaire. He shrugged and supposed not.
The question:
When successful people say the unsuccessful should pull their socks up do they allow for how hard that is.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2023 20:19:23 GMT
Slightly off topic. I had an interesting conversation with a friend today, his son is at Eton and not enjoying it. My friend is wandering what to do and mentioned that these Private schools teach self reliance. I asked if his son would ever really need self reliance when his father was a multi millionaire. He shrugged and supposed not. The question: When successful people say the unsuccessful should pull their socks up do they allow for how hard that is. I would think so. mainly becasue many successful people have had to do just that. We all have anecdotes to tell as regards how that can happen. Take the next generation down when they come to visit do you notice how they leave lights on leave doors open, leave heaters on, get new phones, have sky multideals, have expensive trainers, like to go shopping and buy brand names and not Fruit of the Loom. They also have many crises as regards cashflow. It is only hard in most cases if you make it so. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 20:28:12 GMT
Slightly off topic. I had an interesting conversation with a friend today, his son is at Eton and not enjoying it. My friend is wandering what to do and mentioned that these Private schools teach self reliance. I asked if his son would ever really need self reliance when his father was a multi millionaire. He shrugged and supposed not. The question: When successful people say the unsuccessful should pull their socks up do they allow for how hard that is. I would think so. mainly becasue many successful people have had to do just that. We all have anecdotes to tell as regards how that can happen. Take the next generation down when they come to visit do you notice how they leave lights on leave doors open, leave heaters on, get new phones, have sky multideals, have expensive trainers, like to go shopping and buy brand names and not Fruit of the Loom. They also have many crises as regards cashflow. It is only hard in most cases if you make it so. Actually the majority of successful people come from well off families. That's because when they fuck up (as do most start up businesses) there family steps in with cash. That just doesn't happen with the poorer entrepreneurs. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2023 20:32:17 GMT
I would think so. mainly becasue many successful people have had to do just that. We all have anecdotes to tell as regards how that can happen. Take the next generation down when they come to visit do you notice how they leave lights on leave doors open, leave heaters on, get new phones, have sky multideals, have expensive trainers, like to go shopping and buy brand names and not Fruit of the Loom. They also have many crises as regards cashflow. It is only hard in most cases if you make it so. Actually the majority of successful people come from well off families. That's because when they fuck up (as do most start up businesses) there family steps in with cash. That just doesn't happen with the poorer entrepreneurs. My point was that quite often hardship is a self imposed problem or a problem for which solutions are available but it means doing without 'necessities' the definition of which is different between younger and older generations. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 20:51:00 GMT
Actually the majority of successful people come from well off families. That's because when they fuck up (as do most start up businesses) there family steps in with cash. That just doesn't happen with the poorer entrepreneurs. My point was that quite often hardship is a self imposed problem or a problem for which solutions are available but it means doing without 'necessities' the definition of which is different between younger and older generations. But that is a different thing to what I'm talking about. Of course there are people who are reckless with their money and get into trouble. But before the rich just assume the poor are stupid or profligate they might want to remember that they never had that problem. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2023 21:04:27 GMT
My point was that quite often hardship is a self imposed problem or a problem for which solutions are available but it means doing without 'necessities' the definition of which is different between younger and older generations. But that is a different thing to what I'm talking about. Of course there are people who are reckless with their money and get into trouble. But before the rich just assume the poor are stupid or profligate they might want to remember that they never had that problem. And there are successful people who have had to struggle through. Is it the rich or successful people you are talking about, they are not one and the same. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2023 21:06:53 GMT
But that is a different thing to what I'm talking about. Of course there are people who are reckless with their money and get into trouble. But before the rich just assume the poor are stupid or profligate they might want to remember that they never had that problem. And there are successful people who have had to struggle through. Is it the rich or successful people you are talking about, they are not one and the same. Oh yes of course. Its just percentage wise the success rate for the well healed is far higher. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2023 21:20:18 GMT
And there are successful people who have had to struggle through. Is it the rich or successful people you are talking about, they are not one and the same. Oh yes of course. Its just percentage wise the success rate for the well healed is far higher. Of course it is, but you cannot blanket describe the successful as being well heeled. If accusations of failure being their own fault for the poor that accusation has legs because we all see many of the young everyday and it is obvious that what we would regard as profligacy is every day occurrences. This is not just my experience. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2023 22:08:18 GMT
Nahh, that's an old joke, you need some new material. The irony. 🙄 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 3, 2023 7:21:14 GMT
I'm becoming concerned about you ZG. You used to be one of the more sensible lefties, these days you're ramblings are more in line with something Dappy would come out with. You are right, the EU don't stop criminals crossing the channel, therefor by definition, they allow it. And if hundreds of thousands of illegals were fleeing England bound for the EU/France, the EU and Macron would be going mental about it. The EU would be straight to the ECtHR to demand the British government were fined for not policing their borders, French fishermen would blockade ports, French farmers would bring Paris to a standstill and British HGV's would be torched as soon as they drove off ferries. I speak as I find on every occasion. Sometimes the Left don't like it, sometimes the right. It is not a criminal offence to leave the EU. Quite clearly it's not a criminal offence to enter or leave the EU. Thanks to incompetent unelected morons who govern from behind closed doors and invited Africa to Europe, it would seem the EU have no control over their borders, such as they are. |
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