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Post by dappy on Oct 7, 2023 7:15:16 GMT
You are making yourself look stupid Pacifico. As I said you can travel from A to D five times a day 365 days a year if you choose to.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2023 7:51:29 GMT
I don't want to go from A to D - I want to go from A to B and can only do that on the days when I have a permit.
It's all about control..
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Post by dappy on Oct 7, 2023 8:53:21 GMT
No you can go from A to B 5 times a day 365 times a year if that’s what you wish
As you well know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 9:22:05 GMT
No you can go from A to B 5 times a day 365 times a year if that’s what you wish As you well know Why are you conveniently ignoring the permit Pacifico is referring to? Its very existence contradicts your claims.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 7, 2023 9:32:57 GMT
“ ALL the Oxford Scheme is is that if you are a resident of Oxford (different rules apply if not) wishing to travel between sector 1 and 4 365 times a year, you can only travel through the city centre on 100 days. On the other 265 days, you have to drive out of sector 1 to the ring road, drive round the ring road and then enter sector 4.”
You can only travel through the city centre on 100 days = you cannot travel through the city centre 265 days . Therefore you have restriction on travel. I’m not sure what is worse , the lefties feeble attempt to gaslight or the fact that they think anyone will accept it .
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Post by patman post on Oct 7, 2023 11:48:05 GMT
No one has ever suggested any such thing Pacifico. All part of the conspiracy theory. Don't be daft. Permits
Everyone who lives in the City of Oxford permit area (OPA), where the filters are to be located, will be eligible for one free, 100-day permit a year, which will mean “unlimited travel through any of the six filters for the whole day” on up to 100 days per year. Each household will be eligible for a maximum of three permits.Oxford: The 15-Minute City Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)Your link actually includes the following: An article published by Vision News on November 30 that has been shared widely online falsely claims that Oxford County Council will trial so-called “climate lockdowns” from 2024. It says the move would prevent residents from leaving their neighbourhoods without permission from authorities.
It claims the council has approved plans “to lock residents into one of six zones” in Oxford to combat global warming and that electronic gates will be built “on key roads in and out of the city” to keep people confined.
Anyone wishing to leave their zone “will need permission from the council”, which decides “who is worthy of freedom and who isn’t,” the report adds…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 13:12:06 GMT
That's irrelevant to what Pacifico posted, which is actually part of the scheme.
Oh, and since we've already been in lock downs I'd take what the council says with a pinch of salt. Keeping people in isolation is good training and people seem to be better trained to accept it today. The ball is rolling.
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Post by patman post on Oct 7, 2023 13:36:21 GMT
That's irrelevant to what Pacifico posted, which is actually part of the scheme. Oh, and since we've already been in lock downs I'd take what the council says with a pinch of salt. Keeping people in isolation is good training and people seem to be better trained to accept it today. The ball is rolling. Then let it keep rolling and join the other balls that's deflecting from the discussing real disruption do-gooder traffic pundits impose on local communities.
The problem round N16, is newcomers and earth-mother types moving into the area and wanting to turn it into a replica of the best bits of Kensington, and being aided by young zealots indoctrinated with far-fetched theories and woolly idealism...
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Post by vlk on Dec 9, 2023 23:43:48 GMT
When I told my work-mate that's it's been over 20 years since I have last been on an aeroplane his expression was priceless. Like how is that even possible. He asked me am I afraid of flying. I said no I'm not. Time just goes so fast.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 11, 2023 21:39:28 GMT
Labour council's frantic bid to scrap eco-measures amid huge backlash slammed: 'Too little, too late!'
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Post by patman post on Dec 11, 2023 22:05:23 GMT
Bus drivers considering strike action over delays caused by LTNs and removal of bus lanes In one case a bus reportedly took 55 minutes to travel two stops when it normally takes four minutes
A group of London bus drivers are considering striking after being pushed to “breaking point” by delays caused by low-traffic neighbourhoods and bus lanes being removed. Drivers say cycling policies are making life on the capital’s buses a misery, with one bus taking 55 minutes to travel two stops when it normally takes four minutes, according to The Times.
The newspaper has reported that drivers have formed an alliance outside their union and are using a closed social media group to discuss possible action to confront Transport for London (TfL), including strikes and working to rule.
One driver who spoke anonymously said: “We are sick to the back teeth of what’s happening. TfL have been ripping out bus lanes and now LTNs are making things worse by hugely increasing journey times on certain routes at certain times.
“It means we are often finishing late and having to face passengers who are stressed out and angry.”
I don't know about all of Grteater London, but many residents in the central boroughs (and not only car owners) are being adversely affected by unthinking TfL do-gooders...
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 12, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
It might appeal to the pyjama-clad, work-from-homers sipping on another latte, or workshy public sector bureaucrats. Meanwhile, in the real world, and especially in the suburbs or rural areas – a daily grind of school runs, commutes, dying high streets, costly trains, or non-existent buses – it’s a folly. But convenience is only half the story. The other is control. Here, Utopia descends into dystopia. Policy quacks spin the yarn that 15 minute neighbourhoods are “safer, quieter, more diverse, inclusive and economically vibrant”. But how will this be achieved? A giveaway on the Smart Transport policy forum is this: “Reducing car use and encouraging active travel are central to delivering the 15-minute vision” as is “improving air quality” via – you guessed it, Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, ULEZ or Clean Air Schemes. And there we have it. The mask slips: 15 minute neighbourhoods – just like Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ, Mark Drakeford’s ludicrous blanket 20mph limit and every infernal “clean air” initiative in Christendom – are about fleecing motorists. It’s taxation, dressed as salvation. It's politicians and policy makers posturing as holier-than-thou, while cooking up new ways to pick your pockets. In their nightmarish world, saving the planet will cost you a packet. All those CCTV cameras won’t pay for themselves! But for sure, endless CCTV cameras will make sure you comply with “ze rules!” www.gbnews.com/opinion/15-minute-cities-the-green-dream-nightmareWell said Martin Daubney. Fifty years ago a population equivalent to the entire male labour vote in South Wales lived within walking distance of the pit or factory in which they laboured. The same number of housewives, whose full time job was maintaining the home they and their husband rented from the council or maybe paid the building society a mortgage on from their husband’s wage walked to the six or seven shops four hundred yards at most from their front door from which they bought every single routine food item they needed. A bus ride took them to the town centre where larger purchases were possible, Without returning the united kingdom to this 1950’s model of living and working, the control freaks rolling this shit out will take us back to the days of 30-50% unemployment on the Broadwater Farm Estate. I’m rather hoping to see it because this time it will be the councillors getting what PC Blakelok got.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 12, 2023 12:02:31 GMT
Given enough time , enough skill and enough imagination, 15 minute cities might be a viable alternative society. Trouble is that the architects of this utopia will be more interested in making it happen than make it work. It could become a nightmare world of crime and dysfunction, which is probably what John is alluding to.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 12, 2023 12:04:33 GMT
FFS Pacifico, I have no objection to anyone expressing any opinion they want. It does get frustrating when people lie however. You claim that people are to be controlled limiting when they are allowed to go to the shops and are not to be allowed to leave their “sector”. That is utter nonsense. You then claimed that is what they are doing in Oxford - with 100 day permits. That is nonsense too. So what is the Oxford traffic scheme? Oxford suffers severe traffic congestion especially in its city centre. The proposal intends to limit traffic into the city centre to reduce that congestion. Oxford is to be split into six sectors of a rough circle. Round the outside of that circle runs a ring road. Sector 1 and Sector 4 lie opposite each other with the most direct route travelling between the two being through the very congested city centre. Pacifico would tell you that you are not allowed to travel between sector 1 and sector 4 (or that you are only allowed to do so 100 times a year.). That is utter bollocks. You can travel between the two 365 days a year if you wish. ALL the Oxford Scheme is is that if you are a resident of Oxford (different rules apply if not) wishing to travel between sector 1 and 4 365 times a year, you can only travel through the city centre on 100 days. On the other 265 days, you have to drive out of sector 1 to the ring road, drive round the ring road and then enter sector 4. Pacifico is either so stupid that he can’t understand a simple traffic scheme or more likely he is deliberately lying about it. I strongly suspect the latter. Having read this pro-green, pro-cycling JOURNALISTS statement the only FACTS that are clear are ANYONE driving along one of six roads in Oxford between 7am and 7pm without a permit will be fined £70 RESIDENTS of six ‘zones’ in Oxford will receive, subject to a limit of three per address (hey, how will THAT impact HMOs) permits allowing a day’s unlimited access to those six streets on 100 days of the year. Which 100 is not stated RESIDENTS of OXFORDSHIRE outside Oxford’s city boundary can apply for a permit allowing twenty five such visits in a year RESIDENTS of the rest of the UK can Fuck Off. Without seeing a map of Oxford i have no way to understand the impact I will say this now though The three clients i have in Oxford had better pray the software they bought from me in my freelance days never fails to meet their business need because i’m not fucking going anywhere near the place to upgrade it
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 12, 2023 12:34:12 GMT
Given enough time , enough skill and enough imagination, 15 minute cities might be a viable alternative society. Trouble is that the architects of this utopia will be more interested in making it happen than make it work. It could become a nightmare world of crime and dysfunction, which is probably what John is alluding to. without 15 minute WORK it will indeed My father travelled on average 60,000 miles a year every year of his employment with IBM because Milford Haven’s oil terminal, BP Baglan Bay’s petrochemical plant, the University of Bristol, IBM Corporate HQ in the South West, then at Park St Bristol, Westinghouse Brake and Signal at Chippenham plus the CEGB Nuclear Reactors at Trawsfynnydd and Oldbury plus the Roysl Signals snd Radar Establishment at Malvern, and the Admiralty Surface Weapons and Underwater Weapons Establishments were regular clients. On more than one occasion as a freelancer when i was racking up a mere 45,000 on average a chap in naval or air force braided uniform would tell me he wished i’d brought dad along as they had a problem i wasn’t classified to talk about but he was. Strange days. I have not had a job within 15 minutes of my home since i pulled pints at the pub on the corner of the road at 16 and a half FIFTY years ago. It takes 30 to cycle from my parent’s home at that time to one of my research labs, 20 to the other. It would take me two days to cycle to our server racks in brum and three yo the ones in east london. And I'm timing those from when i actually rode to those places when a man a third my current age - one ride for charity the other a rag week stunt. Deal with the employment issue first snd the rest of the problem will vanish
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