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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 17:13:23 GMT
It might appeal to the pyjama-clad, work-from-homers sipping on another latte, or workshy public sector bureaucrats. Meanwhile, in the real world, and especially in the suburbs or rural areas – a daily grind of school runs, commutes, dying high streets, costly trains, or non-existent buses – it’s a folly. But convenience is only half the story. The other is control. Here, Utopia descends into dystopia. Policy quacks spin the yarn that 15 minute neighbourhoods are “safer, quieter, more diverse, inclusive and economically vibrant”. But how will this be achieved? A giveaway on the Smart Transport policy forum is this: “Reducing car use and encouraging active travel are central to delivering the 15-minute vision” as is “improving air quality” via – you guessed it, Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, ULEZ or Clean Air Schemes. And there we have it. The mask slips: 15 minute neighbourhoods – just like Sadiq Khan’s ULEZ, Mark Drakeford’s ludicrous blanket 20mph limit and every infernal “clean air” initiative in Christendom – are about fleecing motorists. It’s taxation, dressed as salvation. It's politicians and policy makers posturing as holier-than-thou, while cooking up new ways to pick your pockets. In their nightmarish world, saving the planet will cost you a packet. All those CCTV cameras won’t pay for themselves! But for sure, endless CCTV cameras will make sure you comply with “ze rules!” www.gbnews.com/opinion/15-minute-cities-the-green-dream-nightmareWell said Martin Daubney.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 5, 2023 17:33:39 GMT
If they get their wish and start issuing permits to restrict people from leaving these neighbourhoods then the hacking down of ULEZ cameras is going to seem rather trivial..
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Post by wapentake on Oct 5, 2023 17:46:26 GMT
Itv news continuing the scare propaganda,we’re all going to die never seen heat like this we’re emitting too much carbon it’s pathetic.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 18:16:59 GMT
If they get their wish and start issuing permits to restrict people from leaving these neighbourhoods then the hacking down of ULEZ cameras is going to seem rather trivial.. I absolutely agree. I can only imagine what's comming. As Richard Tice said... ...'be under no illusion this is one of the greatest battlegrounds of the future'.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 18:18:10 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Oct 5, 2023 18:22:47 GMT
Whatever the case it does appear like some foods to keep repeating on you.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 18:28:04 GMT
Brilliant, you quote a politician who is desperate to appease a very sceptical electorate, just before an election. The 15 minute city is no conspiracy theory, as anyone with access to google could find out for themselves.
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Post by dappy on Oct 5, 2023 18:35:09 GMT
Remember not so long ago when sane people marveled that ordinary people would be so gullible to be taken in by QANON conspiracy theories that JFK would resurrect in Dallas and reinstate Trump to fight the global blood drinking paedophile elite. How we laughed.
Now the same conspiracy theorists are peddling bollocks about 15 minute cities and amazingly people are falling for it again. All 15 minute cities are is trying to design cities so you can live work shop and access leisure within a short distance of home rather than spending large parts of the day travelling backwards and forwards across town. A pretty good design if it could be delivered surely.
But the conspiracy theorists have invented all sorts of nonsense to scare and control the gullible and bizarrely the gullible seem to revel in being mind controlled. It really is most odd.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 18:48:41 GMT
Brilliant, you quote a politician who is desperate to appease a very sceptical electorate, just before an election. The 15 minute city is no conspiracy theory, as anyone with access to google could find out for themselves. No, I quoted the government transport secretary pushing conspiracy theories. ''Speaking at the Conservative Party conference on Monday, Transport Secretary Mark Harper said he was "calling time on the misuse of so-called '15-minute cities'". "There's nothing wrong with making sure people can walk or cycle to the shops or school," said Mr Harper. "That's traditional town planning." "What is sinister and what we shouldn't tolerate is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops and that they ration who uses the roads and when, and they police it all with CCTV."
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 19:05:01 GMT
Remember not so long ago when sane people marveled that ordinary people would be so gullible to be taken in by QANON conspiracy theories that JFK would resurrect in Dallas and reinstate Trump to fight the global blood drinking paedophile elite. How we laughed. Now the same conspiracy theorists are peddling bollocks about 15 minute cities and amazingly people are falling for it again. All 15 minute cities are is trying to design cities so you can live work shop and access leisure within a short distance of home rather than spending large parts of the day travelling backwards and forwards across town. A pretty good design if it could be delivered surely. But the conspiracy theorists have invented all sorts of nonsense to scare and control the gullible and bizarrely the gullible seem to revel in being mind controlled. It really is most odd. What is it with you lefties? Why cant you see further than the end of your own left wing bloody noses. The whole point of 15 minute cities, which is no conspiracy theory, is to reduce car usage by limiting peoples ability to drive, which is linked to ulez LTN's and net zero all of which are very unpopular with the vast majority of voters, which is why politicians tend to play down the realities of the 15 minute concept, especially when there's an election around the corner.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 19:15:17 GMT
Brilliant, you quote a politician who is desperate to appease a very sceptical electorate, just before an election. The 15 minute city is no conspiracy theory, as anyone with access to google could find out for themselves. No, I quoted the government transport secretary pushing conspiracy theories. ''Speaking at the Conservative Party conference on Monday, Transport Secretary Mark Harper said he was "calling time on the misuse of so-called '15-minute cities'". "There's nothing wrong with making sure people can walk or cycle to the shops or school," said Mr Harper. "That's traditional town planning." "What is sinister and what we shouldn't tolerate is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops and that they ration who uses the roads and when, and they police it all with CCTV." The 15 minute concept is about as far removed from traditional town planning as it's possible to get. And it's all well and good Mark Harper saying it shouldn't be tolerated, the fact is councils are imposing LTN's and ulez which is the start of the 15 minute concept. Labour are tipped to win the next election and I'm sure you will not be surprised to hear that the vast majority of councils that are planning these draconian 15 minute cities are Labour councils. Quelle surprise.
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Post by dappy on Oct 5, 2023 19:17:51 GMT
You are believing conspiracy theories designed to control your mind. It can only be a matter of time before John Lennon reappears to install Farage as PM - imagine all the people stuck in traffic jams - heaven.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 19:21:20 GMT
No, I quoted the government transport secretary pushing conspiracy theories. ''Speaking at the Conservative Party conference on Monday, Transport Secretary Mark Harper said he was "calling time on the misuse of so-called '15-minute cities'". "There's nothing wrong with making sure people can walk or cycle to the shops or school," said Mr Harper. "That's traditional town planning." "What is sinister and what we shouldn't tolerate is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops and that they ration who uses the roads and when, and they police it all with CCTV." The 15 minute concept is about as far removed from traditional town planning as it's possible to get. And it's all well and good Mark Harper saying it shouldn't be tolerated, the fact is councils are imposing LTN's and ulez which is the start of the 15 minute concept. Labour are tipped to win the next election and I'm sure you will not be surprised to hear that the vast majority of councils that are planning these draconian 15 minute cities are Labour councils. Quelle surprise. Why don't conservatives care about cleaner air, less congested city centres or global warming? They used to care about these things when Thatcher was in control.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 5, 2023 19:58:54 GMT
The 15 minute concept is about as far removed from traditional town planning as it's possible to get. And it's all well and good Mark Harper saying it shouldn't be tolerated, the fact is councils are imposing LTN's and ulez which is the start of the 15 minute concept. Labour are tipped to win the next election and I'm sure you will not be surprised to hear that the vast majority of councils that are planning these draconian 15 minute cities are Labour councils. Quelle surprise. Why don't conservatives care about cleaner air, less congested city centres or global warming? They used to care about these things when Thatcher was in control. You think Labour are more concerned about those things, or are they more concerned about control. London Wales and Oxford all have draconian anti motoring laws, and they are all Labour administrations. My advice is voter beware.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 5, 2023 20:29:46 GMT
15 minute cities are a natural development from taking cars off if the road. I would say more like 1 hour cities though.
Stop making petrol and diesel cars . Have poor infrastructure for EVs. Spread Ulez to all major cities . Replace 30 mph speed limits to 20mph. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s the bleeding obvious.
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