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Post by Pacifico on Oct 5, 2023 21:39:58 GMT
"What is sinister and what we shouldn't tolerate is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops and that they ration who uses the roads and when, and they police it all with CCTV." But this is not an accurate characterisation of "15-minute cities". Yes it is - that was the exact proposal.. You shouldn't believe everything the BBC tell you Monte..
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 23:37:01 GMT
"What is sinister and what we shouldn't tolerate is the idea that local councils can decide how often you go to the shops and that they ration who uses the roads and when, and they police it all with CCTV." But this is not an accurate characterisation of "15-minute cities". Yes it is - that was the exact proposal.. You shouldn't believe everything the BBC tell you Monte.. You shouldn't believe anything Qanon tells you.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 6:53:18 GMT
Yes it is - that was the exact proposal.. You shouldn't believe everything the BBC tell you Monte.. You shouldn't believe anything Qanon tells you. nothing to do with qanon - the proposal is to be issued permits that allow you to cross the border of your '15 minute neighbourhood' It's all about control...
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Post by dappy on Oct 6, 2023 8:04:45 GMT
No one has ever suggested any such thing Pacifico. All part of the conspiracy theory.
Would you be in favour of cities being designed as much as possible such that shops schools workplaces and leisure facilities were all available close to peoples homes so they didn’t have to travel long distances (but still could if they wanted to)
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 10:36:49 GMT
No one has ever suggested any such thing Pacifico. All part of the conspiracy theory. Don't be daft. Permits
Everyone who lives in the City of Oxford permit area (OPA), where the filters are to be located, will be eligible for one free, 100-day permit a year, which will mean “unlimited travel through any of the six filters for the whole day” on up to 100 days per year. Each household will be eligible for a maximum of three permits.Oxford: The 15-Minute City Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 6, 2023 10:44:48 GMT
As the population edges towards 70 million on its trajectory to hit 85 million later this century, unlimited personal mobility will be just one of the several sacred cows that will have to be led to slaughter.
Think of it - the 15 minute city - as a training exercise.
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Post by dappy on Oct 6, 2023 11:51:22 GMT
No one has ever suggested any such thing Pacifico. All part of the conspiracy theory. Don't be daft. Permits
Everyone who lives in the City of Oxford permit area (OPA), where the filters are to be located, will be eligible for one free, 100-day permit a year, which will mean “unlimited travel through any of the six filters for the whole day” on up to 100 days per year. Each household will be eligible for a maximum of three permits.Oxford: The 15-Minute City Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)Your own link demolishes your argument. Read it again The key point is probably this Everyone wherever they live will still be able to drive to and from any destination in Oxford, or anywhere else, anytime they like as often as they like.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 16:43:36 GMT
Don't be daft. Permits
Everyone who lives in the City of Oxford permit area (OPA), where the filters are to be located, will be eligible for one free, 100-day permit a year, which will mean “unlimited travel through any of the six filters for the whole day” on up to 100 days per year. Each household will be eligible for a maximum of three permits.Oxford: The 15-Minute City Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN)Your own link demolishes your argument. Read it again The key point is probably this Everyone wherever they live will still be able to drive to and from any destination in Oxford, or anywhere else, anytime they like as often as they like.
So why do they need permits restricting them to 100 days a year?.
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Post by dappy on Oct 6, 2023 18:50:08 GMT
Read the report you linked to.
It explains it very clearly and, because I don’t think you are stupid, you already know very well that it is nothing like what you have suggested. Which I have to say means you are deliberately lying.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 21:30:36 GMT
Look - if you are issued with a permit to drive through certain areas on 100 days a year then by definition your claim that you can go anywhere, anytime and as often as you like is a gold plated lie.
You should be ashamed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 22:07:52 GMT
It's becoming like the Half-Life 2 dystopia.
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Post by dappy on Oct 6, 2023 22:25:01 GMT
FFS Pacifico, I have no objection to anyone expressing any opinion they want. It does get frustrating when people lie however.
You claim that people are to be controlled limiting when they are allowed to go to the shops and are not to be allowed to leave their “sector”. That is utter nonsense.
You then claimed that is what they are doing in Oxford - with 100 day permits. That is nonsense too.
So what is the Oxford traffic scheme?
Oxford suffers severe traffic congestion especially in its city centre. The proposal intends to limit traffic into the city centre to reduce that congestion.
Oxford is to be split into six sectors of a rough circle. Round the outside of that circle runs a ring road. Sector 1 and Sector 4 lie opposite each other with the most direct route travelling between the two being through the very congested city centre.
Pacifico would tell you that you are not allowed to travel between sector 1 and sector 4 (or that you are only allowed to do so 100 times a year.). That is utter bollocks. You can travel between the two 365 days a year if you wish.
ALL the Oxford Scheme is is that if you are a resident of Oxford (different rules apply if not) wishing to travel between sector 1 and 4 365 times a year, you can only travel through the city centre on 100 days. On the other 265 days, you have to drive out of sector 1 to the ring road, drive round the ring road and then enter sector 4.
Pacifico is either so stupid that he can’t understand a simple traffic scheme or more likely he is deliberately lying about it. I strongly suspect the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 22:34:11 GMT
FFS Pacifico, I have no objection to anyone expressing any opinion they want. It does get frustrating when people lie however. You claim that people are to be controlled limiting when they are allowed to go to the shops and are not to be allowed to leave their “sector”. That is utter nonsense. You then claimed that is what they are doing in Oxford - with 100 day permits. That is nonsense too. So what is the Oxford traffic scheme? Oxford suffers severe traffic congestion especially in its city centre. The proposal intends to limit traffic into the city centre to reduce that congestion. Oxford is to be split into six sectors of a rough circle. Round the outside of that circle runs a ring road. Sector 1 and Sector 4 lie opposite each other with the most direct route travelling between the two being through the very congested city centre. Pacifico would tell you that you are not allowed to travel between sector 1 and sector 4 (or that you are only allowed to do so 100 times a year.). That is utter bollocks. You can travel between the two 365 days a year if you wish. ALL the Oxford Scheme is is that if you are a resident of Oxford (different rules apply if not) wishing to travel between sector 1 and 4 365 times a year, you can only travel through the city centre on 100 days. On the other 265 days, you have to drive out of sector 1 to the ring road, drive round the ring road and then enter sector 4. Pacifico is either so stupid that he can’t understand a simple traffic scheme or more likely he is deliberately lying about it. I strongly suspect the latter. The very moment you are told that you cannot go somewhere in your own country is the moment you're a prisoner in that country, no matter how benign it may seem to you. You can try and justify it, just as you will try and justify even further restrictions that will pile up, but that doesn't remove the fundamental fact that you've had even more freedoms removed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 23:26:25 GMT
Itv news continuing the scare propaganda,we’re all going to die never seen heat like this we’re emitting too much carbon it’s pathetic. I guess it's the totalitarian goal, or rather, the totalitarian ideology of today. We are mere obstacles and will eventually be branded enemies of the state, which has already been reordered to control us. What are people going to do, vote Tory or Labour?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 7, 2023 6:43:37 GMT
FFS Pacifico, I have no objection to anyone expressing any opinion they want. It does get frustrating when people lie however. You claim that people are to be controlled limiting when they are allowed to go to the shops and are not to be allowed to leave their “sector”. That is utter nonsense. You then claimed that is what they are doing in Oxford - with 100 day permits. That is nonsense too. So what is the Oxford traffic scheme? Oxford suffers severe traffic congestion especially in its city centre. The proposal intends to limit traffic into the city centre to reduce that congestion. Oxford is to be split into six sectors of a rough circle. Round the outside of that circle runs a ring road. Sector 1 and Sector 4 lie opposite each other with the most direct route travelling between the two being through the very congested city centre. Pacifico would tell you that you are not allowed to travel between sector 1 and sector 4 (or that you are only allowed to do so 100 times a year.). That is utter bollocks. You can travel between the two 365 days a year if you wish. ALL the Oxford Scheme is is that if you are a resident of Oxford (different rules apply if not) wishing to travel between sector 1 and 4 365 times a year, you can only travel through the city centre on 100 days. On the other 265 days, you have to drive out of sector 1 to the ring road, drive round the ring road and then enter sector 4. Pacifico is either so stupid that he can’t understand a simple traffic scheme or more likely he is deliberately lying about it. I strongly suspect the latter. so it is a lie that you can go anywhere, anytime and as often as you like - you now admit the system stops me from going from A to B without a permit at least try and be honest.
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