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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 16:33:45 GMT
May is a frigging traitor FFS. May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 Do leave it out Andrew - there were only 50 MP's in the ERG, far too few to influence anything. Parliament (which was overwhelmingly in favour of Remain) voted 3 times against May's shoddy deal - that should tell you something. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 6, 2023 18:27:28 GMT
May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 Do leave it out Andrew - there were only 50 MP's in the ERG, far too few to influence anything. Parliament (which was overwhelmingly in favour of Remain) voted 3 times against May's shoddy deal - that should tell you something. You almost seem to be claiming that Britain elected a remain parliament in 2017... I agree that the ERG weren't the only people who voted against it, but it was a significant reason for its failure. I 100% maintain it was a better idea than Boris's line in the Irish Sea. If you still believe him telling you there'll be no paperwork between GB and NI then you are more foolish than I took you for. He can't open his mouth without lying and too many people were prepared to make excuses for him. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 6, 2023 18:46:12 GMT
The Tories have a history of creating PMs without an election. Major, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all installed as PM without a GE. Cameron is the only Conservative PM that came to power after winning an election since Thatcher and he had to rely on the Lib Dems. I agree, it does seem to becoming a habit with them, what's the point of GE if you vote for a particular leader, only to have them replaced with ones that party have decided, makes it a bit of a sham really. Unless you are a voter within a leader's parliamentary constituency you vote only to elect your local member of parliament. A leader is decided by their party |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 6, 2023 18:50:53 GMT
May is a frigging traitor FFS. May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 Hmmm... I seem to remember that it was the parliamentary remnants that kept voting Mays deal down. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 6, 2023 18:59:04 GMT
May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 Hmmm... I seem to remember that it was the parliamentary remnants that kept voting Mays deal down. So like Pacifico you too realise that Britain elected a remain parliament in 2017? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 6, 2023 19:09:41 GMT
Yep. The majority of MPs were remnants.
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Post by patman post on Oct 6, 2023 19:34:26 GMT
Who was it that said "24 hours is a long time in politics", therefore 9 or 12 months is an eternity, and allthough anything COULD happen, I will note three things. 1 It doesn't look like the polls are going to move very much 2 Tories would have hoped that post conference, the polls might narrow, but the conference was a big let down 3 Labours turn next, opportunity is now in Starmers hands, but any slip-ups and it could all go wrong If Labour gets a post conference bounce, I’d say their chances of an election win were even stronger…. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 6, 2023 19:36:38 GMT
Yep. The majority of MPs were remnants. We agree. (Although your use of derogatory term totes unnecessary) |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 6, 2023 20:49:47 GMT
Nope, totally deserved by any politician who finds themselves unable to support democracy.
Let alone those that actively attempt to subvert it.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 6, 2023 20:54:27 GMT
Nope, totally deserved by any politician who finds themselves unable to support democracy. Let alone those that actively attempt to subvert it. I prefer politicians who stick to their principles. Many MPs came from Remain voting constituencies anyway. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 6, 2023 20:58:17 GMT
An old, and now very tedious, debate which I have no interest in revisiting.
Whatever they were before, they're certainly remnants now.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 6, 2023 21:22:17 GMT
Do leave it out Andrew - there were only 50 MP's in the ERG, far too few to influence anything. Parliament (which was overwhelmingly in favour of Remain) voted 3 times against May's shoddy deal - that should tell you something. You almost seem to be claiming that Britain elected a remain parliament in 2017... 70% of the 2017 Parliament were in favour of Remain - how many more did you want?..  You seem a bit obsessed with personality - when it comes to the various deals on offer then Johnsons deal, for all it's faults, is the only one that could command a majority in the House. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 6, 2023 23:04:35 GMT
Yep. The majority of MPs were remnants. We agree. (Although your use of derogatory term totes unnecessary) I would have put it in even stronger terms for those who tried to overturn the will of the elctorate. But what the fuck remnants haven't got the brains to feel any shame and neither have the arseholes who support them. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 6, 2023 23:11:50 GMT
Nope, totally deserved by any politician who finds themselves unable to support democracy. Let alone those that actively attempt to subvert it. Many MPs came from Remain voting constituencies anyway. What principles? For 4 long years we had to endure their dirty tricks and even now they are still trying to overturn the will of the electorate. If they had an ounce of integrity they would have and still should accept the democracy of the UK. They were quite happy to turn a blind eye for over 40 years to the fact that we had been taken into the EUSSR by the blatant lie of we were joining a trade blocc only. |
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Post by vlk on Oct 7, 2023 0:02:30 GMT
It's going to be 1-2 terms of Labour again and then turn back to the Tories. That's how the two party-system works. Nothing really changes.
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