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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 9:52:05 GMT
Well if the SNP kick Yousaf out now they might be able to save some face at the next GE, he was clearly the wrong choice, and everyone knew that, they need to do it now, they are only delaying the inevitable if they don't, why drag it out.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 6, 2023 9:52:24 GMT
Mind you, the Tories are going to have a pretty bad GE too if it goes like last night. They didn't even keep their deposit.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 9:57:47 GMT
yeah looks like Starmer could become the next PM without even having to move or speak, because the leaders of the SNP and the Tories have decided to elect their own leader, and this is what happens when the people don't get to vote.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 6, 2023 10:04:14 GMT
yeah looks like Starmer could become the next PM without even having to move or speak, because the leaders of the SNP and the Tories have decided to elect their own leader, and this is what happens when the people don't get to vote. The Tories have a history of creating PMs without an election. Major, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all installed as PM without a GE. Cameron is the only Conservative PM that came to power after winning an election since Thatcher and he had to rely on the Lib Dems. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 10:08:47 GMT
yeah looks like Starmer could become the next PM without even having to move or speak, because the leaders of the SNP and the Tories have decided to elect their own leader, and this is what happens when the people don't get to vote. The Tories have a history of creating PMs without an election. Major, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all installed as PM without a GE. Cameron is the only Conservative PM that came to power after winning an election since Thatcher and he had to rely on the Lib Dems. I agree, it does seem to becoming a habit with them, what's the point of GE if you vote for a particular leader, only to have them replaced with ones that party have decided, makes it a bit of a sham really. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 6, 2023 10:13:46 GMT
The Tories have a history of creating PMs without an election. Major, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak were all installed as PM without a GE. Cameron is the only Conservative PM that came to power after winning an election since Thatcher and he had to rely on the Lib Dems. I agree, it does seem to becoming a habit with them, what's the point of GE if you vote for a particular leader, only to have them replaced with ones that party have decided, makes it a bit of a sham really. Since no government is going to risk an election when they are down in the polls because of poor leadership the alternative is to stick with a PM completely unsuited to the job like Johnson or Truss. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 10:15:23 GMT
Who was it that said "24 hours is a long time in politics", therefore 9 or 12 months is an eternity, and allthough anything COULD happen, I will note three things.
1 It doesn't look like the polls are going to move very much
2 Tories would have hoped that post conference, the polls might narrow, but the conference was a big let down
3 Labours turn next, opportunity is now in Starmers hands, but any slip-ups and it could all go wrong
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 10:19:07 GMT
I agree, it does seem to becoming a habit with them, what's the point of GE if you vote for a particular leader, only to have them replaced with ones that party have decided, makes it a bit of a sham really. Since no government is going to risk an election when they are down in the polls because of poor leadership the alternative is to stick with a PM completely unsuited to the job like Johnson or Truss. Sunak was the best of a bad bunch, so that's not saying much, he's hit and miss, just when he looks like he's making headway and saying all the right things, he goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid .... like banning smoking.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but right now, it's not on the list of people's priorities, they just see it as a dictatorship, Big Brother, and also a smokescreen to cover up for the things that do matter, like the cost of living crisis, energy bills, food bills, mortgage/rent rises, this is what the voter on the streets want to hear about.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 6, 2023 10:22:57 GMT
Since no government is going to risk an election when they are down in the polls because of poor leadership the alternative is to stick with a PM completely unsuited to the job like Johnson or Truss. Sunak was the best of a bad bunch, so that's not saying much, he's hit and miss, just when he looks like he's making headway and saying all the right things, he goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid .... like banning smoking.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but right now, it's not on the list of people's priorities, they just see it as a dictatorship, Big Brother, and also a smokescreen to cover up for the things that do matter, like the cost of living crisis, energy bills, food bills, mortgage/rent rises, this is what the voter on the streets what to hear about.
He was the calm hand on the tiller after the chaos of Johnson and Truss. May is probably the best leader since Maggie but she was stabbed in the back by the lunatic fringe who thought no deal was better than a bad deal. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 6, 2023 10:59:35 GMT
Who was it that said "24 hours is a long time in politics", therefore 9 or 12 months is an eternity, and allthough anything COULD happen, I will note three things. 1 It doesn't look like the polls are going to move very much 2 Tories would have hoped that post conference, the polls might narrow, but the conference was a big let down 3 Labours turn next, opportunity is now in Starmers hands, but any slip-ups and it could all go wrong But that can work both ways. I cant see starmer infesting no 10 for the full term. The corbynites will take make sure of that. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 11:04:47 GMT
Who was it that said "24 hours is a long time in politics", therefore 9 or 12 months is an eternity, and allthough anything COULD happen, I will note three things. 1 It doesn't look like the polls are going to move very much 2 Tories would have hoped that post conference, the polls might narrow, but the conference was a big let down 3 Labours turn next, opportunity is now in Starmers hands, but any slip-ups and it could all go wrong If Rayner conveniently gets a bout of Covid and can't turn up Labour might have a good conference, unfortunately it all goes downhill for Labour once she opens her mouth (to speak). |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 6, 2023 11:17:19 GMT
Sunak was the best of a bad bunch, so that's not saying much, he's hit and miss, just when he looks like he's making headway and saying all the right things, he goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid .... like banning smoking.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but right now, it's not on the list of people's priorities, they just see it as a dictatorship, Big Brother, and also a smokescreen to cover up for the things that do matter, like the cost of living crisis, energy bills, food bills, mortgage/rent rises, this is what the voter on the streets what to hear about.
He was the calm hand on the tiller after the chaos of Johnson and Truss. May is probably the best leader since Maggie but she was stabbed in the back by the lunatic fringe who thought no deal was better than a bad deal. May is a frigging traitor FFS. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 6, 2023 14:18:12 GMT
He was the calm hand on the tiller after the chaos of Johnson and Truss. May is probably the best leader since Maggie but she was stabbed in the back by the lunatic fringe who thought no deal was better than a bad deal. May is a frigging traitor FFS. May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 6, 2023 15:03:05 GMT
May is a frigging traitor FFS. May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 What solution apart from being ruled by the EUSSR? She is traitor she tried to sell the UK out which would have made your side very happy. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 6, 2023 15:52:35 GMT
May is a frigging traitor FFS. May came up with a better solution for NI than Boris, but the eejits in the ERG voted it down, then voted for Boris's border down the Irish Sea that he LIED didn't exist. The fools voted for it, so now we're stuck with it until we get to renegotiate. And your interpretation of these events is "May is a traitor"? 🤔 Well the EU had us held to ransom over it, it was their bargaining chip until the Irish got pissed off with them, then we had daft ald Irish Biden falling about over there, once the EU realised the Irish were getting pissed off with them they soon knuckled under. No one want to upset the Irish. |
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