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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 7:20:16 GMT
Every person in the country already has the choice to not smoke.
Is this a step too far?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 5, 2023 8:28:38 GMT
yes - bloody stupid policy
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Post by dappy on Oct 5, 2023 8:35:43 GMT
No very sensible.
Smoking is extremely unpleasant for others and more importantly costs us all vast amounts in healthcare costs way above taxes raised on the product. It is highly addictive and hence young people taking up the drug to look adult often suffer for the rest of their lives.
I believe we are seeking to emulate the New Zealand model here. While no parliament can bind a future one, let alone a seemingly outgoing governing party, this seems a sensible way to go about getting rid of this scourge and hopefully will attract cross party support.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 8:44:07 GMT
This should have been done decades ago.
The cost of smoking to the NHS is astronomical.
But it is really amusing that this flies in the face of Tory, none interference by the state.
What other 'freedoms' are they likely to take from us?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 8:45:24 GMT
No very sensible. Smoking is extremely unpleasant for others and more importantly costs us all vast amounts in healthcare costs way above taxes raised on the product. It is highly addictive and hence young people taking up the drug to look adult often suffer for the rest of their lives. I believe we are seeking to emulate the New Zealand model here. While no parliament can bind a future one, let alone a seemingly outgoing governing party, this seems a sensible way to go about getting rid of this scourge and hopefully will attract cross party support. You'll just create a black market where they'll be cheaper and even more poisonous due to the lack of any regulation. Prohibition doesn't work. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 9:01:25 GMT
If you're going to ban it ban it outright for all, a phased ban with it legal for some but not others is stupid.
And at any rate, prohibition doesn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 9:15:04 GMT
This should have been done decades ago. The cost of smoking to the NHS is astronomical. But it is really amusing that this flies in the face of Tory, none interference by the state. What other 'freedoms' are they likely to take from us? This is why the NHS is bad. It is political and dictates how we live our lives. Also, a Labourite is in no position to lecture the country on freedoms. The issue here is that this government is not Conservative. The freedom to choose should be an integral part of conservatism. It's the Socialists who deny people a choice. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 5, 2023 9:18:23 GMT
Its a policy for imbeciles - you have 2 brothers - one is 15 and one 14 - one can smoke all of their lives and one cannot - even when they are pensioners.. In what fucking world is that sensible?  |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 9:29:06 GMT
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Post by dappy on Oct 5, 2023 10:41:29 GMT
Given that tobacco is addictive, it would be very hard to ban tobacco for existing smokers.
Therefore phasing in a ban seems sensible.
Sensible too to copy sensible ideas from others - you dont always have to reinvent the wheel.
How else would you organise a tobacco ban?
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 5, 2023 10:53:12 GMT
You can see what this idea has done, clever move by Sunak it's got the likes of Dappy and Red Rum in agreement. Rishi taking some big nanny state ideas coming from the Nu Labour handbook to help swing himself some voters.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 11:00:19 GMT
Given that tobacco is addictive, it would be very hard to ban tobacco for existing smokers. Therefore phasing in a ban seems sensible. Sensible too to copy sensible ideas from others - you dont always have to reinvent the wheel. How else would you organise a tobacco ban? Many things are addictive. In fact, everything is potentially addictive since these things usually relate to strength of character. The physical addiction from smoking only lasts a couple of weeks. After that the nicotine addiction subsides and you're left with the psychological ritual to deal with. People who really want to quit actually find it quite easy. Those who reluctantly try and quit do not.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 11:26:51 GMT
Next we should ban alcohol.
It is highly addictive, costs the NHS a fortune and is the root cause of the majority of violent crime.
Look how well banning things has worked in the past. We used to have a problem with drugs but that disappeared once we made them illegal.
This is surely a vote winner as conservatives really love the nanny state.
Bravo Sunak, I shall raise a glass and light a reefer in your honour.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 5, 2023 12:15:58 GMT
You can see what this idea has done, clever move by Sunak it's got the likes of Dappy and Red Rum in agreement. Rishi taking some big nanny state ideas coming from the Nu Labour handbook to help swing himself some voters. It's actually from the New Zealand Labour playbook, the policy came from Jacinda Ardern. It's a shit policy as well. If they're going to ban it, just ban it. And watch as organised crime take over the supply chain. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 5, 2023 12:28:26 GMT
I don't smoke and so I don't care about this as such but I fail to see how it's not age discrimination.
In the future we will have two sets of adults - one that is allowed to exercise a freedom and another that isn't, decided purely by age.
I'm sure that's open to all sorts of challenge, aside from being virtually unenforceable.
I mean, if you're going to ban something then just ban it. Not that prohibition works, but that's another issue.
Or just accept that fewer and fewer people are choosing to smoke anyway and just leave it at that.
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