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Post by patman post on Oct 5, 2023 19:52:46 GMT
Nothing to stop the elder bro offering (buying) smokes to (for) the younger. The good thing about this (should it be adopted), is that the added inconvenience of buying tobacco products will discourage more people from smoking. Personally, I’d ban smoking in all public places and spaces — wading through smokers and clouds of tobacco smoke at the entrance to a pub is very unpleasant. I don’t see how such legislation will increase the current tobacco black market — but a total ban on smoking definitely would… The law would stop the elder brother buying tobacco for his sibling. In the same way it prohibits buying alcohol for under 18s. This is about tobacco not alcohol. But as you mention it, I don’t believe it’s against the law for any child aged five or older to have an alcoholic drink at home or in any private house. And from my time years ago working behind a bar, 16 and 17 year-olds, accompanied by an adult in licensed premises, can drink (but not buy) beer, cider or wine with a meal… |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 20:05:43 GMT
You can see what this idea has done, clever move by Sunak it's got the likes of Dappy and Red Rum in agreement. Rishi taking some big nanny state ideas coming from the Nu Labour handbook to help swing himself some voters.  The cheap fascists are too busy hypersalivating over corporate bellend to find the time to smoke. But yeah, anything that is seen to be an attack on this country's freedoms and the removal of the right to choose is fair game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 14:03:17 GMT
I think that smoking is reducing year in year out, this is just a Tory ploy to steal the headlines from a natural occurrence, just like halving inflation. If smoking rates are decreasing, even less need for nanny state nonsense. I agree, he is announcing a policy that is happening already, it's a stunt. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
It's all a Tory smokescreen.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2023 14:10:14 GMT
Every person in the country already has the choice to not smoke. Is this a step too far? Even Boris has condemed it mate. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2023 14:17:39 GMT
I think this is an example of legislation for the sake of legislation, it's ridiculous. Raising the age at which someone can by tobacco will not stop someone buying tobacco. Most tobacco bought and smoked these days is illicit under the counter contraband anyway, all this legislation will do is to make tobacco smuggling more profitable. Dont you beleive it. Cutters choice which I smoke is £30.75 for a 50 gram pack from Asda.
The same product 50 gram pack under the counter is £17...Not exactly a close price is it?
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 7, 2023 14:20:49 GMT
I don't think that's true any more. Tobacco prices on the continent are now so close to UK prices it's not worth the bother of smuggling it in. Dont you beleive it. Cutters choice which I smoke is £30.75 for a 50 gram pack from Asda.
The same product 50 gram pack under the counter is £17...Not exactly a close price is it?
Where did it come from? Last time I was in France the difference was negligible. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2023 14:26:51 GMT
Dont you beleive it. Cutters choice which I smoke is £30.75 for a 50 gram pack from Asda.
The same product 50 gram pack under the counter is £17...Not exactly a close price is it?
Where did it come from? Last time I was in France the difference was negligible. Not sure mate. France has two tarifs if Brit who visits France and come back into the UK with tobaco purchad in France pay a higher tariff than Brits who purchase tobaco in France and move on even deepr into Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 14:30:52 GMT
I don't think that's true any more. Tobacco prices on the continent are now so close to UK prices it's not worth the bother of smuggling it in. Dont you beleive it. Cutters choice which I smoke is £30.75 for a 50 gram pack from Asda.
The same product 50 gram pack under the counter is £17...Not exactly a close price is it?
How do you know the price of 'under the counter' tobacco? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 7, 2023 14:37:16 GMT
Where did it come from? Last time I was in France the difference was negligible. Not sure mate. France has two tarifs if Brit who visits France and come back into the UK with tobaco purchad in France pay a higher tariff than Brits who purchase tobaco in France and move on even deepr into Europe. What is the duty free limit on tobacco these days? It used to be as much as you could claim to be personal use so it was worthwhile going on a day trip to Calais and filling your car with booze and tobacco but I doubt that is true anymore. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2023 14:46:09 GMT
Not sure mate. France has two tarifs if Brit who visits France and come back into the UK with tobaco purchad in France pay a higher tariff than Brits who purchase tobaco in France and move on even deepr into Europe. What is the duty free limit on tobacco these days? It used to be as much as you could claim to be personal use so it was worthwhile going on a day trip to Calais and filling your car with booze and tobacco but I doubt that is true anymore. I honestly couldn't tell you mate. I think most of the baccy smugglers purchase their baccy in Belgium |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 7, 2023 15:13:07 GMT
What is the duty free limit on tobacco these days? It used to be as much as you could claim to be personal use so it was worthwhile going on a day trip to Calais and filling your car with booze and tobacco but I doubt that is true anymore. I honestly couldn't tell you mate. I think most of the baccy smugglers purchase their baccy in Belgium Apparently it is 250gms or 5 pouches. Belgium is still a lot cheaper than the UK. I just looked it up. From as little as £9 for 50 gms. Still not worth the cost of a ferry for just 5 pouches though. It must be professional criminal smugglers bringing it these days rather than Joe Public. www.tobacco-alley.be/tobacco.html |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2023 15:43:06 GMT
How do you stop it changing hands inside a private home?
How do you stop people growing their own?
Ultimately if you want to do more to stop people smoking, stop it in all public places and tax it.
But be careful what you wish for.
Vapes are unaffected.
They're more addictive.
What do they do to people's lungs?
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Post by jonksy on Oct 7, 2023 16:26:52 GMT
I honestly couldn't tell you mate. I think most of the baccy smugglers purchase their baccy in Belgium Apparently it is 250gms or 5 pouches. Belgium is still a lot cheaper than the UK. I just looked it up. From as little as £9 for 50 gms. Still not worth the cost of a ferry for just 5 pouches though. It must be professional criminal smugglers bringing it these days rather than Joe Public.
www.tobacco-alley.be/tobacco.htmlThanks for that mate. Yes they must be proffesionals at the game. There never seems to be a shortage of illegal baccy in the outlets. When I went to the Ukrain the same packs out their are around the £5.50 to £6 mark..But everyone and their dog hseems to smoke there. |
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Post by patman post on Oct 7, 2023 19:05:04 GMT
How do you stop it changing hands inside a private home? How do you stop people growing their own? Ultimately if you want to do more to stop people smoking, stop it in all public places and tax it. But be careful what you wish for. Vapes are unaffected. They're more addictive. What do they do to people's lungs? There will be restrictions on vapes, but not enough to stop adult tobacco smokers switching to them. It’s not the nicotine that’s the problem for them but the other cancer causing tars the tobacco smoker (and those in close proximity) inhale while smoking. “More addictive” seems not to be true. The problem seems to be that young users of vapes are attracted by the candy-like flavours, and they become addicted to nicotine. The current ease of then moving on to tobacco is the worry… |
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