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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 3, 2023 23:44:08 GMT
Still waiting for someone to outline the issues with reducing the default speed limit on say Plymouth’s city streets. as soon as newport rejoicingly imposed 20 limits everywhere, congestion on its main roads tripled. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 4, 2023 4:46:37 GMT
If you choose to break the law, don’t complain when you get fined I'm quite happy to abide by the law - when it's for the benefit of all and not made up on the hoof for the purpose of extortion. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 4, 2023 4:47:39 GMT
And there, in a nutshell, is the left's answer to everyone they don't like. Fascists, the lot of 'em. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 4, 2023 4:49:16 GMT
Says the Labour Party who rely on extortion and shitting on the working man. The day our kids can play in the streets are long gone thanks to labours lefty woke virtual signalling. Kids now are not safe from matchette carrying arseholes and kiddie fiddlers. SF must live on a different planet to the rest of us. Fiddler still lives in the 1930s. Germany in the 1930s. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:19:59 GMT
Going slower causes less pollution. "Reducing speed limits from 30mph to 20mph reduces brake and tyre wear, which contributes to particulate pollution. It also reduces fuel use and carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions when driving in an appropriate gear at a steady pace. A study showed an 8% reduction in NOx and PM10 emissions for 20mph compared to 30mph in diesel cars. 20mph limits massively cut toxic diesel emissions. Getting a vehicle to 30mph takes 2.25 times that to get to 20mph, and it is the repeated depletion (braking) and then acceleration to peak speed that uses most fuel. Not if your journey takes longer it doesn't. Engines are most efficient at around 55-60mph, so driving at a less efficient speed for longer is going to increase pollution. While it might seem intuitive that a resting or slow-moving car produces less pollution than a speeding one, the inverse is actually true.
One study has shown that emissions increase when a car travels below 45mph and above 65mph – so the so-called golden zone of fuel consumption and emissions reduction is between 45mph and 65mph.
Let's drive at 55-60 in built up areas then.😂 You are comparing an optimum to reality, less speed saves lives and decreases pollution. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:21:54 GMT
That is a ridiculous statement if the speed limit is 20mph and you stay on or below 20mph you do not get a fine., going slower saves lives, what's not to like. Sounds great like start stop technology, oh but wait it only works with a special battery which has to show full charge or it doesn't work, while constant stop start puts stress on the electrical system like the alternator and starter and its special battery which all fail much faster than a normal system. All for the greater good of course. All for the greater good of saving lives, you mean. You can drive at 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear saving stress on the engine and reducing fuel consumption, whilst saving lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:24:06 GMT
That is a ridiculous statement if the speed limit is 20mph and you stay on or below 20mph you do not get a fine., going slower saves lives, what's not to like. Because they know that people won't.
It's the same with ULEZ - they don't want you to comply, they want you to get the fine.
Wakey, wakey, Wonky.
The fact that people wont is not a consideration. Compliance with the law is a staple of a civilised society. The fact that you say 'people wont' is ridiculous, most people will, those that don't deserve the fines. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 4, 2023 6:24:21 GMT
Sounds great like start stop technology, oh but wait it only works with a special battery which has to show full charge or it doesn't work, while constant stop start puts stress on the electrical system like the alternator and starter and its special battery which all fail much faster than a normal system. All for the greater good of course. All for the greater good of saving lives, you mean. You can drive at 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear saving stress on the engine and reducing fuel consumption, whilst saving lives. You stick to your pedal car rr and let the grown ups drive the real cars. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 4, 2023 6:24:54 GMT
Sounds great like start stop technology, oh but wait it only works with a special battery which has to show full charge or it doesn't work, while constant stop start puts stress on the electrical system like the alternator and starter and its special battery which all fail much faster than a normal system. All for the greater good of course. All for the greater good of saving lives, you mean. You can drive at 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear saving stress on the engine and reducing fuel consumption, whilst saving lives. I doubt most people can get past 20 mph anyway with the amount of potholes they are dodging. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:25:22 GMT
30 km/h (20 mph) zones are very common, I'd even say the norm, in French villages and congested urban areas, especially in busy pedestrian zones and in the vicinity of schools. Nobody gets very aereated about it or demands a scientific inquiry into what seems like basic common sense. It's a nuisance as a motorist but there we are it's not the end of the world. That's the point — slower zones are set up where they're needed.
But it's the blanket imposition, as in Hackney (and no doubt by other authorities), on some previously 30mph roads that are often able to carry two or three lanes of traffic in the same direction — coming on top of the installation of widespread blocking of streets to motor traffic — that has irritated local drivers and even residents of affected streets.
TfL has realised that restricting some roads, like Islington's Upper Street and Holloway Road, would cause problems, so these are exempt. I guess we have to hope TfL's own observations will show what other 20mph restricted roads (like much of the A10) will cause traffic problems, and revert to previous restrictions...
Why are people who drive given priority over pedestrians and cyclists? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 4, 2023 6:26:16 GMT
Because they know that people won't.
It's the same with ULEZ - they don't want you to comply, they want you to get the fine.
Wakey, wakey, Wonky.
The fact that people wont is not a consideration. Compliance with the law is a staple of a civilised society. The fact that you say 'people wont' is ridiculous, most people will, those that don't deserve the fines. It's all just the usual money making racket rr and has fuck all to do with safety or net zero. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:27:19 GMT
We have been through this Pacifico. While it is true, I agree counter-intuitively, that most cars will burn less fuel running at a steady 30mph than at a steady 20mph. But urban roads don’t work like that. On urban roads you get traffic lights and roundabouts and people changing lane and zebra crossing congestion etc etc . So cars don’t run at steady speed. They are constantly accelerating and then slowing often to a stop. And the act of accelerating is by far the biggest gas guzzling and you do much more accelerating trying to get to 30 than you do to 20. Hence for most urban roads as well as saving lives, we also save petrol and therefore pollution by dropping speed limit to 20. Try to understand the facts before forming your opinion and be prepared to change your opinion when you discover that what you thought weee facts is in fact untrue. The basic fact that you keep avoiding is that a car running creates more pollution than a car that is switched off - so increasing the time it takes to complete a journey will increase pollution. But then you would need to understand facts.. A car that is switched off creates no pollution from the exhaust, how is that a point. A car that is switched of will never complete a journey unless you live at the top of a hill. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:28:20 GMT
The fact that people wont is not a consideration. Compliance with the law is a staple of a civilised society. The fact that you say 'people wont' is ridiculous, most people will, those that don't deserve the fines. It's all just the usual money making racket rr and has fuck all to do with safety or net zero. So you are denying that 20mph is safer than 30mph? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 6:29:25 GMT
The fact that people wont is not a consideration. Compliance with the law is a staple of a civilised society. The fact that you say 'people wont' is ridiculous, most people will, those that don't deserve the fines. It's all just the usual money making racket rr and has fuck all to do with safety or net zero. Err, it's not about net zero either. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 4, 2023 6:51:23 GMT
It's all just the usual money making racket rr and has fuck all to do with safety or net zero. So you are denying that 20mph is safer than 30mph? Yes it has sweet FA todo with safety. |
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