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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 1:09:03 GMT
I bet the motorists were not asked. But of course the vitue signaling snowflakes would have been along with the licra louts.
The Tory attack on 20mph speed limits is already a losing battle
he prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has declared war on the “war on motorists”. He has said that he wants to end “harebrained” schemes for slower speed limits and safer, quieter roads. But history suggests, as I discovered while researching a forthcoming paper for the Foundation for Integrated Transport, in the long term he’s unlikely to succeed in his battle against 20mph zones.
The reason is simple: once people have experienced the benefits of slower speeds in their area, such as less noise and aggro and more child independence and cycling, they typically don’t want to bring the speed limits back up. Campaigns to reduce danger and nuisance from cars in cities have been running since the 1970s – and although they are often controversial, my findings suggest that they typically follow a predictable pattern.
Many actions are launched at the school gate by parents keen to liberate their children to walk or cycle to school without risking death or serious injury from fast traffic (research shows that for every 1mph reduction in average speed on urban roads, collision frequency reduces by about 6%). The trajectory continues upwards as other local groups pitch in and councillors favour residents who vote for them, rather than outsiders driving through.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 3:51:00 GMT
I bet the motorists were not asked. But of course the vitue signaling snowflakes would have been along with the licra louts.
The Tory attack on 20mph speed limits is already a losing battle
he prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has declared war on the “war on motorists”. He has said that he wants to end “harebrained” schemes for slower speed limits and safer, quieter roads. But history suggests, as I discovered while researching a forthcoming paper for the Foundation for Integrated Transport, in the long term he’s unlikely to succeed in his battle against 20mph zones.
The reason is simple: once people have experienced the benefits of slower speeds in their area, such as less noise and aggro and more child independence and cycling, they typically don’t want to bring the speed limits back up. Campaigns to reduce danger and nuisance from cars in cities have been running since the 1970s – and although they are often controversial, my findings suggest that they typically follow a predictable pattern.
Many actions are launched at the school gate by parents keen to liberate their children to walk or cycle to school without risking death or serious injury from fast traffic (research shows that for every 1mph reduction in average speed on urban roads, collision frequency reduces by about 6%). The trajectory continues upwards as other local groups pitch in and councillors favour residents who vote for them, rather than outsiders driving through.
20mph is a Tory policy.😂 |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 4:40:57 GMT
I bet the motorists were not asked. But of course the vitue signaling snowflakes would have been along with the licra louts.
The Tory attack on 20mph speed limits is already a losing battle
he prime minister, Rishi Sunak, has declared war on the “war on motorists”. He has said that he wants to end “harebrained” schemes for slower speed limits and safer, quieter roads. But history suggests, as I discovered while researching a forthcoming paper for the Foundation for Integrated Transport, in the long term he’s unlikely to succeed in his battle against 20mph zones.
The reason is simple: once people have experienced the benefits of slower speeds in their area, such as less noise and aggro and more child independence and cycling, they typically don’t want to bring the speed limits back up. Campaigns to reduce danger and nuisance from cars in cities have been running since the 1970s – and although they are often controversial, my findings suggest that they typically follow a predictable pattern.
Many actions are launched at the school gate by parents keen to liberate their children to walk or cycle to school without risking death or serious injury from fast traffic (research shows that for every 1mph reduction in average speed on urban roads, collision frequency reduces by about 6%). The trajectory continues upwards as other local groups pitch in and councillors favour residents who vote for them, rather than outsiders driving through.
20mph is a Tory policy.😂 Usual total bollocks post... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 4:42:04 GMT
Driving laws will target 'sinister' and 'overzealous' 15-minute cities and 20mph speed limits The Government is pledging to crack down on highly controversial motoring schemes like 15-minute cities and 20mph speed limits to protect drivers. Speaking at the Conservative Party Conference, Transport Secretary Mark Harper commented on the recent introduction of schemes like new 20mph speed limits in Wales. He said measures like speed limits and moving traffic fines were being used to punish drivers and raise money for councils and Governments. The Government had pledged to make a number of sweeping changes to protect drivers from these kinds of fines and other pieces of legislation designed to target motorists.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 3, 2023 6:20:26 GMT
The Government is pledging to crack down on highly controversial motoring schemes like 15-minute cities and 20mph speed limits to protect drivers. Speaking at the Conservative Party Conference, Transport Secretary Mark Harper commented on the recent introduction of schemes like new 20mph speed limits in Wales. He said measures like speed limits and moving traffic fines were being used to punish drivers and raise money for councils and Governments...And he is, of course, quite correct. On a sensible note, the big issue for me is that motorists should have certainty around the law. It's a nonsense to have different towns/cities/areas operating to different laws/rules because it will eventually make road transport impossible. I realise that is of course the plan, however right now there is no realistic alternative. And I'm sure that those currently supporting this idiocy will soon change their tune when they find that they are unable to access essential goods and services due to a plethora of nutty road schemes. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 6:49:52 GMT
Unless I have missed something, this feels like one of those artificial arguments over a marginal at most issue.
What do you think the negatives are of introducing a 20mph speed limit on most but not all 30mph roads in an average sized city - say Plymouth
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 6:56:29 GMT
Unless I have missed something, this feels like one of those artificial arguments over a marginal at most issue. What do you think the negatives are of introducing a 20mph speed limit on most but not all 30mph roads in an average sized city - say Plymouth Have you ever driven in Plymouth it's a bloody nightmare now whithout any more of this total bullsit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 6:59:00 GMT
The Government is pledging to crack down on highly controversial motoring schemes like 15-minute cities and 20mph speed limits to protect drivers. Speaking at the Conservative Party Conference, Transport Secretary Mark Harper commented on the recent introduction of schemes like new 20mph speed limits in Wales. He said measures like speed limits and moving traffic fines were being used to punish drivers and raise money for councils and Governments...And he is, of course, quite correct. On a sensible note, the big issue for me is that motorists should have certainty around the law. It's a nonsense to have different towns/cities/areas operating to different laws/rules because it will eventually make road transport impossible. I realise that is of course the plan, however right now there is no realistic alternative. And I'm sure that those currently supporting this idiocy will soon change their tune when they find that they are unable to access essential goods and services due to a plethora of nutty road schemes. Of course, drivers have no sense, can't read or understand big black numbers in in white circles with big red borders. Why do you think people are so stupid? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 7:00:13 GMT
Unless I have missed something, this feels like one of those artificial arguments over a marginal at most issue. What do you think the negatives are of introducing a 20mph speed limit on most but not all 30mph roads in an average sized city - say Plymouth Have you ever driven in Plymouth it's a bloody nightmare now whithout any more of this total bullsit. If it's a 'bloody nightmare' now restricted speeds will surely help. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 7:00:23 GMT
So what would be the issue with replacing 30mph limits with 20 mph limits on most but not all such roads.
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
Still waiting for someone to outline the issues with reducing the default speed limit on say Plymouth’s city streets.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 3, 2023 7:29:52 GMT
The only way I can keep to speed limits - which are invariably unnaturally low - is to set my cruise control to that speed and stop using the accelerator. But unfortunately my car doesn't allow cruise control to be set to slower than 30mph, so I have to keep watching the speedo all the time - which is effing dangerous IMO.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 3, 2023 7:41:53 GMT
Still waiting for someone to outline the issues with reducing the default speed limit on say Plymouth’s city streets. is there an issue with speeding in Plymouth? ..or is this a solution in search of a problem? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2023 8:07:46 GMT
Have you ever driven in Plymouth it's a bloody nightmare now whithout any more of this total bullsit. If it's a 'bloody nightmare' now restricted speeds will surely help. Of course they wont FFS rr. There are too many restrictions now with bloody bus lanes which are used for busses about twice a day. And god help the motorists if they drive in the bus lanes as they will receive a hefty fine falling onto their doormats. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 3, 2023 8:25:09 GMT
Not sure I understand your point Pacifico.
The question I posed was “what are the downsides in reducing the standard speed limit in a medium sized city from 30mph to 20mph.” You don’t seem to have answered the question.
I haven’t really thought about it before. Until Sunak made it a national issue it felt like a matter for locally elected councillors to decide for their patch. But as it’s now a national political issue I thought I ought to consider it.
And frankly I can’t think of much of a downside. I am prepared to listen as I am trying to work out my view but the only reason to keep it at 30 so far is that one driver is apparently unable to control his vehicle which isn’t overly convincing…..
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