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Post by Bentley on Oct 26, 2023 16:08:33 GMT
Same thing , if you don’t see reason why not then you are agreeing with it . The question was stupid , that’s why I avoided it. School kids learning about Mary Seacole doesn’t take a month . The question was if Black history month was warranted. It's not the same thing, I don't see any reason why people shouldn't go ice skating if they want to, doesn't mean I'm an advocate for ice skating, I've zero interest in it. Mary Seacole was an example, can you give me an example of black historical figures that you think it will be harmful for school kids to learn about? It’s not ice skating . It’s making historical claims that need to be substantiated before they are taught as facts. Your second sentence is a pathetic goal move . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 26, 2023 16:11:01 GMT
As I said ..you believe a black history month is warranted yet unable to make a case for it. That seems to be the default case for promoters of black history month.
When asked to provide details of the contributions that blacks are supposed to have made to British society, and which will provide the material to be studied, they fall mysteriously silent.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 26, 2023 16:11:54 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Oct 26, 2023 16:14:39 GMT
As I said ..you believe a black history month is warranted yet unable to make a case for it. That seems to be the default case for promoters of black history month.
When asked to provide details of the contributions that blacks are supposed to have made to British society, and which will provide the material to be studied, they fall mysteriously silent.
Well you can see that he can’t make a case for black history month. He posts other people’s unsupported claims and says he assumes black history month will substantiate them. It’s la la land . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 26, 2023 16:25:47 GMT
It's a modern-day incarnation of Orwell's Ministry of Truth where scribes are tasked with rewriting historical records to conform to the multicultural state's narrative about its currently preferred identity group.
An official mythology, in other words.
Once BHM is institutionalised and securely embedded in the curriculum some other 'historically oppressed' group will become the focus.
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Post by puckfutin on Oct 26, 2023 16:30:10 GMT
Here is one for you to ponder. Maybe we should have A white history month.
EU torn apart for 'pointing the finger' at Britain after report finds bloc guilty of 'shocking' racism.
Well it's not like white historical figures and their contribution to our history isn't taught on the other 11 months of the year is it? Are you saying that white lives don't matter? The whites have contributed more to history than any blacks. It was the blacks who first started the slave trade and it was the whites who ended it. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 26, 2023 17:04:29 GMT
Yes, we should have something like a set amount of time where the history of blacks and their contribution to society could be highlighted for those interested enough to learn about them. We could give it a snappy name like non-Caucasian history lunar cycle. Is there a source you could point to where an outline of the black contribution to society you refer to could be perused by those who aren't sure?
Google. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 26, 2023 18:03:00 GMT
As I said ..you believe a black history month is warranted yet unable to make a case for it. I didn't say it was warranted I said I don't see any reason not to have it. I'll ask for the third time, what harm does anyone think will come from school kids learning about Mary Seacole for example? Mary Seacole could easily be covered in the same 20 minutes of any history lesson that covered Florence Nightingale Doesn't need a month |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 26, 2023 20:23:01 GMT
Is there a source you could point to where an outline of the black contribution to society you refer to could be perused by those who aren't sure?
Google. So Monte doesn't have a clue. Now there's a surprise, I don't think. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 26, 2023 22:53:19 GMT
So Monte doesn't have a clue. Now there's a surprise, I don't think. Do your own homework! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 23:20:56 GMT
Black History Month is warranted because of past indifferences and deficiencies in recognising the contribution that black people made to this country.
In the 1960s the Caribbean leaders of the Bristol Bus Boycott would have been described as trouble makers by many, but they advanced the rights of black people.
Britain has been a racist and intolerant society in the past, there can be no doubt about that, and people of colour were often unrecognised for their achievements.
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 5:59:04 GMT
It's not the same thing, I don't see any reason why people shouldn't go ice skating if they want to, doesn't mean I'm an advocate for ice skating, I've zero interest in it. Mary Seacole was an example, can you give me an example of black historical figures that you think it will be harmful for school kids to learn about? It’s not ice skating . It’s making historical claims that need to be substantiated before they are taught as facts. Your second sentence is a pathetic goal move . The reference to ice skating was a metaphor they're commonly used in debate. I never made an unsubstantiated historical claim. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 6:01:31 GMT
As I said ..you believe a black history month is warranted yet unable to make a case for it. That seems to be the default case for promoters of black history month.
When asked to provide details of the contributions that blacks are supposed to have made to British society, and which will provide the material to be studied, they fall mysteriously silent.
From the DfE: "Here we look at a number of ways that Black history can be taught in schools using the national curriculum for history from Key Stages 1 to 3, and the subject content requirements for history GCSE at Key Stage 4. At Key Stage 1 the curriculum requires key historical events within or beyond living memory to be taught. This could include teaching about the lives of key Black and minority ethnic historical figures such as Mary Seacole and Rosa Parks, both of whom are used as examples in the programmes of study. At Key Stage 2the curriculum requires the study of a non-European society that provides contrasts with British history, for example Benin (West Africa) from 900-1300 AD. At Key Stage 3 there is a statutory requirement to explore ideas, political power, industry and empire in Britain between 1745-1901. This is so that every child has an understanding of the history of Empire and its consequences. Teachers could, for example, look at Britain’s transatlantic slave trade – its effects and its eventual abolition – including the successful slave-led rebellions, such as the Haitian Revolution, that eventually led to the abolition of slavery. In the UK, this could include the role played by slaves and former slaves such Olaudah Equiano as well as the Somerset Ruling. This Key Stage also requires the study of an aspect of British history that consolidates and extends pupils’ chronological knowledge from before 1066. One of the suggested topics is to look at the impact of the migration of people to, from and within the British Isles. At Key Stage 4 pupils should develop and extend their knowledge and understanding of specified key events, periods and societies in local, British, and wider world history which takes in the wide diversity of human experience. Such events can include the world wars and the impact of migration on Britain. There is scope to teach Black history within these events and within the broader requirements of the GCSE subject specification." educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2021/10/08/black-history-month-how-black-history-is-taught-in-our-schools/ |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 6:03:45 GMT
Well it's not like white historical figures and their contribution to our history isn't taught on the other 11 months of the year is it? Are you saying that white lives don't matter? The whites have contributed more to history than any blacks. It was the blacks who first started the slave trade and it was the whites who ended it. Of course I'm not saying white lives don't matter. I'm saying I see no harm in teaching kids the contribution made to history by white and black people. I've yet to hear anyone spell out what possibly harm can come from teaching kids the latter. |
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Post by happyhornet on Oct 27, 2023 6:14:55 GMT
Black History Month is warranted because of past indifferences and deficiencies in recognising the contribution that black people made to this country. In the 1960s the Caribbean leaders of the Bristol Bus Boycott would have been described as trouble makers by many, but they advanced the rights of black people. Britain has been a racist and intolerant society in the past, there can be no doubt about that, and people of colour were often unrecognised for their achievements. I've asked several times what harm could come from kids learning about black history, deafening silence so far. It strikes me as manufactured outrage. |
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