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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 16, 2023 9:28:29 GMT
''Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends''.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 16, 2023 9:37:30 GMT
oh, i agree I have seen, and i still eat it. However, i do think if people had to do the deed themselves, much less meat would be eaten, and maybe that would be a good thing, maybe not Quite right JoG, hope you're well btw. In the past I've suggested to Mrs R, who is 100% carnivore, that she should visit an abattoir to see how that steak gets to her plate, naturally she won't even discuss it. I think if the vast majority of people were asked where their meat comes from they would say, a supermarket. i may have said this elsewhere. About 30 years ago the council wanted to compulsory purchase a derelict farm and build a trading estate. The locals said ***k that and set up a trust and greenmeadow community farm was born. I put some fivers in the hat at the inaugural meeting and got a promise of a free pass as a founder member of the trust when the place was opened. It did open and had a rather varied mix of things but every venture in it actually made money. I remember at one point they were raising some organic pigs of a breed that was abandoned in mainstream farming but the pork sold at a premium in the farm shop, they had a herd of llamas they kept for the wool and a craft weaving stall people actually paid money (the admission fee to the farm) to watch this being done and loads more But come lambing time and this was before the business of some nasty bugs you could catch out a stop to it of course it had a sort of petting pen …. I took the kids to see the place on my free pass and two things made me smile. The first was when the eldest - then about ten - saw the sign on the farm entrance ‘sorry no dogs allowed today - ewes in lamb’. Madam read this and very loudly proclaimed ‘dad that makes no sense because the lambs are in the ewes this sign’s the wrong way round’. Not a straight face in the ticket office and a few muttered ‘she’s got a point there, clever girl’ etc from the queue ! Inside the barn where they had the lambs penned madam did the honours and then piped up ‘dad, how old myst they be before we can have them for lunch with mint sauce ?’ Women for fifty yards around threw their kids behind them and glared at me. You’d think i was Hannibal Lecter giving the after dinner speech at a vegetarian society convention. As you might imagine, i have certain opinions about certain intensive farming methods but no child of mine grew up thinking meat came from the planet sainsbury….. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 10:06:08 GMT
Quite right JoG, hope you're well btw. In the past I've suggested to Mrs R, who is 100% carnivore, that she should visit an abattoir to see how that steak gets to her plate, naturally she won't even discuss it. I think if the vast majority of people were asked where their meat comes from they would say, a supermarket. i may have said this elsewhere. About 30 years ago the council wanted to compulsory purchase a derelict farm and build a trading estate. The locals said ***k that and set up a trust and greenmeadow community farm was born. I put some fivers in the hat at the inaugural meeting and got a promise of a free pass as a founder member of the trust when the place was opened. It did open and had a rather varied mix of things but every venture in it actually made money. I remember at one point they were raising some organic pigs of a breed that was abandoned in mainstream farming but the pork sold at a premium in the farm shop, they had a herd of llamas they kept for the wool and a craft weaving stall people actually paid money (the admission fee to the farm) to watch this being done and loads more But come lambing time and this was before the business of some nasty bugs you could catch out a stop to it of course it had a sort of petting pen …. I took the kids to see the place on my free pass and two things made me smile. The first was when the eldest - then about ten - saw the sign on the farm entrance ‘sorry no dogs allowed today - ewes in lamb’. Madam read this and very loudly proclaimed ‘dad that makes no sense because the lambs are in the ewes this sign’s the wrong way round’. Not a straight face in the ticket office and a few muttered ‘she’s got a point there, clever girl’ etc from the queue ! Inside the barn where they had the lambs penned madam did the honours and then piped up ‘dad, how old myst they be before we can have them for lunch with mint sauce ?’ Women for fifty yards around threw their kids behind them and glared at me. You’d think i was Hannibal Lecter giving the after dinner speech at a vegetarian society convention. As you might imagine, i have certain opinions about certain intensive farming methods but no child of mine grew up thinking meat came from the planet sainsbury….. Good man JoG, as ever a common sense post. Unfortunately the common sense approach is a complete anathema to some people, particularly those blessed with a plant based outraged left persuasion. Although Mrs R and I are meat eaters we share your concerns ref animal welfare and intensive farming, particularly around battery hens, an abhorrent practice that should have been banned years ago. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2023 11:44:13 GMT
For absence of doubt, as far as I know it is not policy of any mainstream political party in the UK to tax meat. That was just another lie told at the Tory conference. Arguably there should be but in a democracy clear electoral suicide.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 14:38:49 GMT
For absence of doubt, as far as I know it is not policy of any mainstream political party in the UK to tax meat. That was just another lie told at the Tory conference. Arguably there should be but in a democracy clear electoral suicide. Labour may or may not be planning a meat tax, who knows what policies they may have in the pipeline. But one thing is for sure, it is definately the direction of travel - link |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2023 21:51:53 GMT
i may have said this elsewhere. About 30 years ago the council wanted to compulsory purchase a derelict farm and build a trading estate. The locals said ***k that and set up a trust and greenmeadow community farm was born. I put some fivers in the hat at the inaugural meeting and got a promise of a free pass as a founder member of the trust when the place was opened. It did open and had a rather varied mix of things but every venture in it actually made money. I remember at one point they were raising some organic pigs of a breed that was abandoned in mainstream farming but the pork sold at a premium in the farm shop, they had a herd of llamas they kept for the wool and a craft weaving stall people actually paid money (the admission fee to the farm) to watch this being done and loads more But come lambing time and this was before the business of some nasty bugs you could catch out a stop to it of course it had a sort of petting pen …. I took the kids to see the place on my free pass and two things made me smile. The first was when the eldest - then about ten - saw the sign on the farm entrance ‘sorry no dogs allowed today - ewes in lamb’. Madam read this and very loudly proclaimed ‘dad that makes no sense because the lambs are in the ewes this sign’s the wrong way round’. Not a straight face in the ticket office and a few muttered ‘she’s got a point there, clever girl’ etc from the queue ! Inside the barn where they had the lambs penned madam did the honours and then piped up ‘dad, how old myst they be before we can have them for lunch with mint sauce ?’ Women for fifty yards around threw their kids behind them and glared at me. You’d think i was Hannibal Lecter giving the after dinner speech at a vegetarian society convention. As you might imagine, i have certain opinions about certain intensive farming methods but no child of mine grew up thinking meat came from the planet sainsbury….. Good man JoG, as ever a common sense post. Unfortunately the common sense approach is a complete anathema to some people, particularly those blessed with a plant based outraged left persuasion. Although Mrs R and I are meat eaters we share your concerns ref animal welfare and intensive farming, particularly around battery hens, an abhorrent practice that should have been banned years ago. Common sense went out the window in 97, I even voted for its demise although I did not know that was what I was doing |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 22:05:42 GMT
Good man JoG, as ever a common sense post. Unfortunately the common sense approach is a complete anathema to some people, particularly those blessed with a plant based outraged left persuasion. Although Mrs R and I are meat eaters we share your concerns ref animal welfare and intensive farming, particularly around battery hens, an abhorrent practice that should have been banned years ago. Common sense went out the window in 97, I even voted for its demise although I did not know that was what I was doing I suspect you're in good company. We live and learn. Going off on a tangent... do the ships that pass Sandypine Towers sound their horn? I don't know how close to port you are, but I read something about ships in Scotland being banned from the age old tradition of sounding the the horn as they leave port, apparently it annoyed someone. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2023 22:21:47 GMT
Common sense went out the window in 97, I even voted for its demise although I did not know that was what I was doing I suspect you're in good company. We live and learn. Going off on a tangent... do the ships that pass Sandypine Towers sound their horn? I don't know how close to port you are, but I read something about ships in Scotland being banned from the age old tradition of sounding the the horn as they leave port, apparently it annoyed someone. The ships we see from our window tend to be 8 or 9 miles out in the Firth of Clyde. I have no idea about a ban, to my recall we left on a cruise from Greenock about ten years ago there were horns and bagpipes. Our nearest harbours are pretty small affairs although Girvan has a lifeboat station. I lived in Gosport for twenty years and the horns in Pompey harbour, at New Year, and the searchlights from HMS Vernon were really a nice event with plenty of people out and about down the hard. The last time I was there it seemed much quieter because the ships are largely gone and Vernon is a shopping centre I think. It has lost spontaneity and is now 'organised'. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 22:30:29 GMT
I suspect you're in good company. We live and learn. Going off on a tangent... do the ships that pass Sandypine Towers sound their horn? I don't know how close to port you are, but I read something about ships in Scotland being banned from the age old tradition of sounding the the horn as they leave port, apparently it annoyed someone. The ships we see from our window tend to be 8 or 9 miles out in the Firth of Clyde. I have no idea about a ban, to my recall we left on a cruise from Greenock about ten years ago there were horns and bagpipes. Our nearest harbours are pretty small affairs although Girvan has a lifeboat station. I lived in Gosport for twenty years and the horns in Pompey harbour, at New Year, and the searchlights from HMS Vernon were really a nice event with plenty of people out and about down the hard. The last time I was there it seemed much quieter because the ships are largely gone and Vernon is a shopping centre I think. It has lost spontaneity and is now 'organised'. Ah right OK, are you ex Navy? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 25, 2023 14:47:48 GMT
''Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends''. Any idea how many rabbits are shot so that vegans can eat carrots? Better if the meat doesn't go to waste. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2023 19:44:26 GMT
Was standing in a high street of a rural town a couple of hours ago . A huge lorry went past full of pigs , a few of them were screaming in fright. Hmmm.. What, the LimpDems or the swine? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 26, 2023 21:28:43 GMT
Here are some manufacturer's excuses for cutting the nutrition and meat out of products to make them cheaper.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 26, 2023 21:30:52 GMT
''Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends''. Any idea how many rabbits are shot so that vegans can eat carrots? Better if the meat doesn't go to waste. Rabbits are a pest animal. I don't care how many you shoot. Same with muntjac and Chinese water deer. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Dec 30, 2023 10:51:48 GMT
Although I’m not vegetarian … I’ve seriously considered the suffering of animals in the appalling factory conditions that rear and slaughter at the poverty end of the meat market my budget allows me to buy …. thanks to idiot political Ukraine sanctions damaging our economies/Brexit resistance/Plandemic bankruptcy … I now have to try and swallow disgusting reformed offal daily … when I once enjoyed real meat responsibly/caringly farmed.
I would love Lib Dems to focus on improving conditions for animals in farming … rather than trying to eradicate overnight whole species of carefully bred and reared livestock … just because they fart gases that stupid politicians think is more damaging to the planet than human farting.
Human overpopulation is a more serious concern to addressing environmental damage than innocent livestock.
Why are there no condom/sterilisation programmes being rolled out by Western politicians and the Green Lobby today?
… They should lead by example and all have the snip … for the environment … and our Green futures.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 30, 2023 11:09:14 GMT
How many vegans have you eaten lately?
I've eaten quite a few...
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