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Post by Vinny on Sept 27, 2023 14:54:59 GMT
Do they have any idea how many animals are shot so they can eat carrots?
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 27, 2023 15:06:45 GMT
Do they have any idea how many animals are shot so they can eat carrots? Is it none? |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 27, 2023 15:14:06 GMT
Do they have any idea how many animals are shot so they can eat carrots? Is it none?  Nah, try again Doc. And think "Wabbits". |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 28, 2023 12:16:00 GMT
Lets not forget halal, most parents have no idea that their kids are eating halal meat at school and that's because Muslim parents would go mental if the 3% of Muslim children at that school ate non halal meat, in this non Islamic country. Are we certain that our meat, from wherever we buy it, is slaughtered in an any more less barbaric way (if that’s what you’re alluding to) than how you imagine halal or kosher meat to be…? We could I suppose discuss the merits of bolt gun, electrocution or slitting the animals throat and slowly letting it bleed out, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the vast majority of people in this non Islamic country should not, unknowingly in most cases, be provided with halal meat in shops and schools in order to appease a tiny minority, even if that tiny vociferous often aggressive minority are always ready to demonstrate and demand that their feelings are far more important than anyone else's. If Islam in this once green and pleasant Christian country is an example of multiculturalism, then Suella Braverman is right, it has totally failed. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 28, 2023 12:22:21 GMT
Are we certain that our meat, from wherever we buy it, is slaughtered in an any more less barbaric way (if that’s what you’re alluding to) than how you imagine halal or kosher meat to be…? We could I suppose discuss the merits of bolt gun, electrocution or slitting the animals throat and slowly letting it bleed out, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the vast majority of people in this non Islamic country should not, unknowingly in most cases, be provided with halal meat in shops and schools in order to appease a tiny minority, even if that tiny vociferous often aggressive minority are always ready to demonstrate and demand that their feelings are far more important than anyone else's. If Islam in this once green and pleasant Christian country is an example of multiculturalism, then Suella Braverman is right, it has totally failed. It has worked pretty well for her and her PM. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 28, 2023 12:29:19 GMT
We could I suppose discuss the merits of bolt gun, electrocution or slitting the animals throat and slowly letting it bleed out, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the vast majority of people in this non Islamic country should not, unknowingly in most cases, be provided with halal meat in shops and schools in order to appease a tiny minority, even if that tiny vociferous often aggressive minority are always ready to demonstrate and demand that their feelings are far more important than anyone else's. If Islam in this once green and pleasant Christian country is an example of multiculturalism, then Suella Braverman is right, it has totally failed. It has worked pretty well for her and her PM. Indeed, sadly Suella and Rishi's success is not reflected across the country. Anyone who thinks Blairs great multiculturalism experiment is anything but an abject failure is either a woke lefty or in urgent need of professional help. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 29, 2023 12:42:46 GMT
Are we certain that our meat, from wherever we buy it, is slaughtered in an any more less barbaric way (if that’s what you’re alluding to) than how you imagine halal or kosher meat to be…? We could I suppose discuss the merits of bolt gun, electrocution or slitting the animals throat and slowly letting it bleed out, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the vast majority of people in this non Islamic country should not, unknowingly in most cases, be provided with halal meat in shops and schools in order to appease a tiny minority, even if that tiny vociferous often aggressive minority are always ready to demonstrate and demand that their feelings are far more important than anyone else's. If Islam in this once green and pleasant Christian country is an example of multiculturalism, then Suella Braverman is right, it has totally failed. I see no valid reason why I would object to any food that I like because of the religion of the producer or seller or preparer. Hygiene, quality and price are our main guidelines... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 12:45:27 GMT
We could I suppose discuss the merits of bolt gun, electrocution or slitting the animals throat and slowly letting it bleed out, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the vast majority of people in this non Islamic country should not, unknowingly in most cases, be provided with halal meat in shops and schools in order to appease a tiny minority, even if that tiny vociferous often aggressive minority are always ready to demonstrate and demand that their feelings are far more important than anyone else's. If Islam in this once green and pleasant Christian country is an example of multiculturalism, then Suella Braverman is right, it has totally failed. I see no valid reason why I would object to any food that I like because of the religion of the producer or seller or preparer. Hygiene, quality and price are our main guidelines... Pat, you appear to be intentionally missing the point. I'll be blunt - Why should the vast majority be forced to pander to the whims of a tiny minority. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 29, 2023 13:12:28 GMT
I see no valid reason why I would object to any food that I like because of the religion of the producer or seller or preparer. Hygiene, quality and price are our main guidelines... Pat, you appear to be intentionally missing the point. I'll be blunt - Why should the vast majority be forced to pander to the whims of a tiny minority. Because non-Muslims can eat Halal food but Muslims can't eat non-Halal. In the same way you can serve vegan food to meat eaters but you can't serve meat to vegans. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 29, 2023 13:17:19 GMT
I see no valid reason why I would object to any food that I like because of the religion of the producer or seller or preparer. Hygiene, quality and price are our main guidelines... Pat, you appear to be intentionally missing the point. I'll be blunt - Why should the vast majority be forced to pander to the whims of a tiny minority. Most of the global production of figs is harvested in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Iran and Morocco, Syria and Tunisia. I'm not going to stop enjoying them because of the likely religions of their producers, shippers and sellers. The same would be true for chicken, goat and sheep meat. I suggest you're in the minority, and I would object if the views of you and like-minded people stopped me from eating what I like, or raised the prices because we could only import from Australia, the US and South America, etc, as their dominant religions don't conflict with your supposed Christian values...
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 14:01:48 GMT
Pat, you appear to be intentionally missing the point. I'll be blunt - Why should the vast majority be forced to pander to the whims of a tiny minority. Because non-Muslims can eat Halal food but Muslims can't eat non-Halal. In the same way you can serve vegan food to meat eaters but you can't serve meat to vegans. Rubbish. Muslims make up just 4.4% of the UK population. It should be up to minorities to fit in and rub along with the vast majority of people in this country who are not Muslims. But in 21st century politically correct minority appeasing UK that's not how it works is it. Thanks to weak lefties Muslims have learned that all they need to do is aggressively demonstrate and demand death to infidels, and hey presto. The majority must bend over backwards to accommodate a tiny minority who never miss an opportunity to criticise our way of life. Muslims can be served non halal food, as vegans can be served meat. It's entirely up to them whether they choose to eat it. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 29, 2023 14:10:20 GMT
Because non-Muslims can eat Halal food but Muslims can't eat non-Halal. In the same way you can serve vegan food to meat eaters but you can't serve meat to vegans. Rubbish. Muslims make up just 4.4% of the UK population. It should be up to minorities to fit in and rub along with the vast majority of people in this country who are not Muslims. But in 21st century politically correct minority appeasing UK that's not how it works is it. Thanks to weak lefties Muslims have learned that all they need to do is aggressively demonstrate and demand death to infidels, and hey presto. The majority must bend over backwards to accommodate a tiny minority who never miss an opportunity to criticise our way of life. Muslims can be served non halal food, as vegans can be served meat. It's entirely up to them whether they choose to eat it. Do you also think Jews can decide for themselves whether to eat pork? If I served you my famous Jasmine flavoured Rottweiler ragout would you choose to eat it? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 14:26:43 GMT
Rubbish. Muslims make up just 4.4% of the UK population. It should be up to minorities to fit in and rub along with the vast majority of people in this country who are not Muslims. But in 21st century politically correct minority appeasing UK that's not how it works is it. Thanks to weak lefties Muslims have learned that all they need to do is aggressively demonstrate and demand death to infidels, and hey presto. The majority must bend over backwards to accommodate a tiny minority who never miss an opportunity to criticise our way of life. Muslims can be served non halal food, as vegans can be served meat. It's entirely up to them whether they choose to eat it. Do you also think Jews can decide for themselves whether to eat pork? If I served you my famous Jasmine flavoured Rottweiler ragout would you choose to eat it? Ahh, spot the strawman. Jews aren't a problem. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 29, 2023 23:00:56 GMT
While many observant Jews still refrain from eating pork, more and more cultural - and even practicing Jews - Jews freely indulge. What was once an illicit meat consumed with shame is now no longer treif (Yiddish for non-kosher) for these Jews, particularly ones who congregate at farmers' markets instead of synagogues come Saturday morning.modernfarmer.com/2014/03/something-jews-eating-pork/
We tend to stay away from foods we don't like or suspect the provenance of — and we also try to be ethical and don'd buy battery eggs or discarded battery chicken carcasses. But I can't say that halal or kosher scares us off...
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 23:23:26 GMT
While many observant Jews still refrain from eating pork, more and more cultural - and even practicing Jews - Jews freely indulge. What was once an illicit meat consumed with shame is now no longer treif (Yiddish for non-kosher) for these Jews, particularly ones who congregate at farmers' markets instead of synagogues come Saturday morning.modernfarmer.com/2014/03/something-jews-eating-pork/
We tend to stay away from foods we don't like or suspect the provenance of — and we also try to be ethical and don'd buy battery eggs or discarded battery chicken carcasses. But I can't say that halal or kosher scares us off...
You're Jewish? Well there you go. Like I've always said if Muslims caused as much trouble as Jews, there would be no trouble. Lets face it, when was the last time we saw angry Jews demonstrating on the streets of Londonistan. |
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