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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 13:50:04 GMT
See what I said to Vinny above. You and Vinny have put forward two errors (I'm being generous calling them errors). You claimed that a levy introduced in 1982 by Parliament was an EU tariff, and Vinny has said that the EU is fishing off the West Coast of Africa (which you have just compounded by implying that the EU is in some way responsible for Spanish boats in Canadian waters). People are seeing through your lies. Bring on the next election!!! Did the EUSSR stop the Sapnish? Did they fuck and I bet if Canada hadn't of stood their gound and drove them off with their navy other EUSSR member states would have tried their luck. It was brilliant down here you could go to the fishmarkets and pick up your free canadian flags and Brixham. Kingswhear and Dartmouth where I live was awash with the red and white maple leaves in respect for the Candians. Why is it the EU's responsibility to stop the Spanish, as opposed to NATO or the International Scouting Organisation's responsibility? The EU can only act within the powers conferred upon it by the treaties. Interfering would be ultra vires their powers. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2022 13:56:44 GMT
Did the EUSSR stop the Sapnish? Did they fuck and I bet if Canada hadn't of stood their gound and drove them off with their navy other EUSSR member states would have tried their luck. It was brilliant down here you could go to the fishmarkets and pick up your free canadian flags and Brixham. Kingswhear and Dartmouth where I live was awash with the red and white maple leaves in respect for the Candians. , as opposed to Nato's or the International Scouting Organisation's responsibility? Thet Spanish were members of the EUSSR were they not? I was pointing out the fact how your beloved EUSSR turn a blind eye to criminality when it suites their cause, Like they are now with their fishing boats fishing ilegaly in UK waters....You are getting boring now sonny Jim. Go and find someone of your own age or mental capacity to play with. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 4, 2022 13:58:30 GMT
The EU allows fish plundered from other parts of the world to be landed in the EU and sold in the EU market.
As a result, fish stocks in the pacific are in decline.
Some countries, Australia for one, have had to ban EU supertrawlers from their waters.
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Post by dappy on Nov 4, 2022 14:08:23 GMT
Far from it. The levy was foist upon fish sales at the source. Which was tied up with EUSSR mumbo jumbo. It could be recovered by those who purchased it at the source if they could be arsed to go through the usual rigmarole associated with the EUSSR which would have taken a bloody lifetime. This is why it was known as the EUSSR tariff. Now we can purchase at source at a far lower price now that levy is no longer required and by the price that the boat owner puts on his catch and not the auctioneers..Win Win yet again. And maybe you would like to explain how UK fishing waters became so dirty on Jan 1st 2021 when the EUSSR were still wanting to fish legaly or illegally in these contaminated waters?
Can't seem to crack the quote system on this site. The above will have to do.
I have to give you some credit Jonksy. You are not afraid to keep digging when you have made a complete fool of yourself. Were you Grasshopper on the previous site?
So you claimed that there was an EU tariff levied on fish landed by UK fishermen at UK ports and you claimed that it amounted to a tariff of roughly 200% of the fish value. Big number.
That was bollocks.
After much thought you decided to try to pretend that you were referring to the Seafish levy that is charged. That levy is of course a UK trade body levy put in place by the UK government decades ago and used to better the UK fishing industry. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU and continues to exist today. Contrary to your claims repeated that it results in a "far lower price", the levy on your two lobsters amounts to less than ten pence. Contrary to your claims that it is no longer required, it continues to exist today. I am not aware that it was ever reclaimable by UK consumers buying from quayside (who from?, why would it be?) but why anybody would consider doing so for 10p is a little odd. I can't comment whether Brixham Docks has changed its method of collection of the levy from being paid by buyers to being paid by sellers - if it has nothing to do with the EU.
Frankly I have no idea what you are asking in your last paragraph.
You have made a right numpty of yourself here - I'd put the shovel down and resolve to check facts before posting in future
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2022 14:26:12 GMT
As I understand it, the effect of EU fishing boats off the coast of Somalia had such a devastating effect on fish stocks there wasn't much left and many turned to piracy. I think you are right on that score and elsewhere, millions of Sharks are being killed every year upsetting the natural ecosystem, natural selection of the fittest Sharks usually feed on the weak and old or injured fish |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 14:41:16 GMT
As I understand it, the effect of EU fishing boats off the coast of Somalia had such a devastating effect on fish stocks there wasn't much left and many turned to piracy. I think you are right on that score and elsewhere, millions of Sharks are being killed every year upsetting the natural ecosystem, natural selection of the fittest Sharks usually feed on the weak and old or injured fish He's probably right to be concerned about fish levels, but he is completely wrong to blame the EU. It has nothing to do with them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 4, 2022 14:47:23 GMT
As I understand it, the effect of EU fishing boats off the coast of Somalia had such a devastating effect on fish stocks there wasn't much left and many turned to piracy. I think you are right on that score and elsewhere, millions of Sharks are being killed every year upsetting the natural ecosystem, natural selection of the fittest Sharks usually feed on the weak and old or injured fish Sharks act as water purifiers or filters, they clear up the waters, if they die off then the waters will be even more polluted than they are now, all this hot air at the COP27 'save the planet'.
If they are serious about saving the planet STOP cutting down millions of CO2 natural air purifiers and filters TREES, clear up the pollution in our waters, this COP27 meeting is a means to get more money out us with Green taxes, they just sit and all agree to put more green taxes on the public, people are getting rich out of these taxes, and nothing changes on the planet.
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Post by dappy on Nov 4, 2022 14:52:45 GMT
The thread seems to have evolved from Jonksy's factually nonsensical claims about tariffs imposed on his evening meal to a discussion about worldwide fishing sustainability.
I agree the latter is of far more importance (if less amusing than his continued digging and consequent humiliation) but perhaps if people wish to discuss it would be better moved to a dedicated thread with a more relevant title
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2022 14:55:48 GMT
I think you are right on that score and elsewhere, millions of Sharks are being killed every year upsetting the natural ecosystem, natural selection of the fittest Sharks usually feed on the weak and old or injured fish Sharks act as water purifiers or filters, they clear up the waters, if they die off then the waters will be even more polluted than they are now, all this hot air at the COP27 'save the planet'.
If they are serious about saving the planet STOP cutting down millions of CO2 natural air purifiers and filters TREES, clear up the pollution in our waters, this COP27 meeting is a means to get more money out us with Green taxes, they just sit and all agree to put more green taxes on the public, people are getting rich out of these taxes, and nothing changes on the planet.
Do you know each day just in China alone they throw away 130 million pairs of wooden chop sticks. Thats a small rain forests worth.
This take on Utube is good, Even third world countries are trying to do their bit on World Wide Waste. There are a couple of vids but well worth watch if you have the time in MHO..Maybe bumberg should watch she would give the crap in the atmosphere BS a rest.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 15:05:48 GMT
Do you know each day just in China alone they throw away 130 million pairs of wooden chop sticks. Thats a small rain forests worth.
With a little imagination, I'm sure you could have come up with some way to blame the EU for that, too. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 4, 2022 15:06:12 GMT
Interesting insight into the moderation of this site, Pacifico. You deleted a long but factual list of issues with Brxit (I agree just a cut and paste and far too long) but were happy to leave this post which is just puerile embarrassing abuse. Is this to be the standard of posting this site desires?? Our Jonksy appears to be the stereotypical Brexiteer. There are no doubt some arguments in favour of Brexit and some against - people could fairly come down on either side - and some perfectly sensible informed people who did believe in brexit. Jonksy though is not one of those. Nonsensical "facts", followed by shouting and abuse, all accompanied no doubt by an ever more burgundy visage. Hard not to laugh. Read and weep. And I do not shout or use abuse BTW. I just get sick of dealing with kids. Those who are making the most noise in the fishing industry are the exporters who now find the petulant EUSSR are up to their usual tricks. I know first hand on this as one of my shooting buddies is Ian Perkes who is one of the prominent and large exporters........ Before Brexit that levy was paid at the quayside as it was a direct purchase before the fish made it to the proper outlet markets or distributors. Now all we do is pay the going rate which alters daily at the quayside as the fish are landed. Why do you think many of the restaurants, hotels and caterers all over the UK were paying agents to purchase form the quaysides?
Levy is also due from any UK registered fishing vessel owner, fish and shellfish farmer, grower or cultivator who lands product in the United Kingdom for subsequent sale direct to a foreign customer.
It's you that should read and apologise That Seafish levy is still in place so us leaving the EU has nothing to do with these low prices you say in your OP you paid And your own link shows it was introduced in 1981 so predates our membership of the EU. In fact if you look at the relevant Act the levy had nothing to do with requirements of the then EEC Any more false flags you're going to post? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 4, 2022 15:08:16 GMT
Sharks act as water purifiers or filters, they clear up the waters, if they die off then the waters will be even more polluted than they are now, all this hot air at the COP27 'save the planet'.
If they are serious about saving the planet STOP cutting down millions of CO2 natural air purifiers and filters TREES, clear up the pollution in our waters, this COP27 meeting is a means to get more money out us with Green taxes, they just sit and all agree to put more green taxes on the public, people are getting rich out of these taxes, and nothing changes on the planet.
Do you know each day just in China alone they throw away 130 million pairs of wooden chop sticks. Thats a small rain forests worth.
This take on Utube is good, Even third world countries are trying to do their bit on World Wide Waste. There are a couple of vids but well worth watch if you have the time in MHO..Maybe bumberg should watch she would give the crap in the atmosphere BS a rest.
Amazing, it just makes you wonder how long this planet has left, if the Trees go then all the birds, wildlife will go, the waters will be so polluted there will be no fish left, and I don't believe these COP27 will have any impact, I bet the food and drink they waste at this summit would feed a whole town, and it wont be sausage rolls and ham butties and cocktail sausages on sticks, it's just hypocritical nonsense. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2022 15:12:58 GMT
Read and weep. And I do not shout or use abuse BTW. I just get sick of dealing with kids. Those who are making the most noise in the fishing industry are the exporters who now find the petulant EUSSR are up to their usual tricks. I know first hand on this as one of my shooting buddies is Ian Perkes who is one of the prominent and large exporters........ Before Brexit that levy was paid at the quayside as it was a direct purchase before the fish made it to the proper outlet markets or distributors. Now all we do is pay the going rate which alters daily at the quayside as the fish are landed. Why do you think many of the restaurants, hotels and caterers all over the UK were paying agents to purchase form the quaysides?
Levy is also due from any UK registered fishing vessel owner, fish and shellfish farmer, grower or cultivator who lands product in the United Kingdom for subsequent sale direct to a foreign customer.
It's you that should read and apologise That Seafish levy is still in place so us leaving the EU has nothing to do with these low prices you say in your OP you paid And your own link shows it was introduced in 1981 so predates our membership of the EU. In fact if you look at the relevant Act the levy had nothing to do with requirements of the then EEC Any more false flags you're going to post? No false flags from me. You had your arse kicked over it on your own forumn until you did the usual. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 4, 2022 15:14:31 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy can't answer the point so rambles on about his deluded recollection of his years of abusing and trolling others elsewhere
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Post by Steve on Nov 4, 2022 15:15:50 GMT
So Jonksy please show us all how a Seafish levy that is still in place and was nowt to do with the EU explains these cheaper prices you say you paid because we're not in the EU?
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