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Post by buccaneer on Sept 22, 2023 11:37:12 GMT
Don't you know the EU motto ...Ask Not What Our Country Can Do For You, It's What Your Country Can Do For Us.
This is a serious question sid, do you honestly with hand on heart think the EU wants the UK to be 'associate members' to benefit the UK?
hahaha as if, the EU want the UK to be associate members so WE can benefit THEM, nothing more nothing less, and if you believe otherwise you're as dim as Starmer.
If harminizing regulation will help British business, and it will also help EU businesses, it is what one would call "Reciprocal". But it would do something else too, it would make all those things which we import from the EU cheaper, it would ease the presure on inflation and the cost of living. Most of the EU products in our supermarkets such as Olive Oil or Fruit etc is stuff we cannot produce in this country, whilst many other products such as Tomato Sauces or seasonal vegetables, we cannot produce in quantity to meet demand. One of the key reasons for high inflation has been the difficulties and delays in importing from the EU, and that is a fact, it has contributed to the cost of living crisis. By pushing back on this very good idea from Starmer, all you are doing is advocating making life more difficult, and more costly. The Brexiteers would cut off their noses to spite their faces The best considered practise to trading nations and the most liberalised is not harmonising regulations with one particular politcal bloc, but by mutual recognition, equivalence and adequacy of standards. This is what the rest of the world do. Other nations who trade with one another do not demand that in order to trade freely, they must surrender their regulatory autonomy to one another. That isn't how global trade works. The EU is the anomaly - as usual with most things it does. It's not known for its innovation, entrepeneurialship or high growth, far from it, but more so as an imperial regulator that stymies growth through its dirigiste approach to trade. The UK consumer has for forty years being paying higher prices for goods like fruit and veg, in comparison to the RoW, because they were ring fenced in the CU propping up French and other European farmers paying artificially high prices for goods and produce. Inflation is alive and well on the continent and another figment of the imagination that this only happens in Brexit Britain, the only needless thing pushing up the cost of living crisis are radical green policies like ULEZ and other hair brained schemes that have the rest of the developing world sitting back laughing collectively at the West. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 22, 2023 11:40:25 GMT
If harminizing regulation will help British business, and it will also help EU businesses, it is what one would call "Reciprocal". But it would do something else too, it would make all those things which we import from the EU cheaper, it would ease the presure on inflation and the cost of living. Most of the EU products in our supermarkets such as Olive Oil or Fruit etc is stuff we cannot produce in this country, whilst many other products such as Tomato Sauces or seasonal vegetables, we cannot produce in quantity to meet demand. One of the key reasons for high inflation has been the difficulties and delays in importing from the EU, and that is a fact, it has contributed to the cost of living crisis. By pushing back on this very good idea from Starmer, all you are doing is advocating making life more difficult, and more costly. The Brexiteers would cut off their noses to spite their faces The best considered practise to trading nations and the most liberalised is not harmonising regulations with one particular politcal bloc, but by mutual recognition, equivalence and adequacy of standards. This is what the rest of the world do. Other nations who trade with one another do not demand that in order to trade freely, they must surrender their regulatory autonomy to one another. That isn't how global trade works everyday. The EU is the anomaly - as usual with most things it does. It's not known for its innovation, entrepeneurialship or high growth, far from it, but an imperial regulator that stymies growth through its dirigiste approach to trade. The UK consumer has for forty years being paying higher prices for goods like fruit and veg, in comparison to the RoW, because they were ring fenced in the CU propping up French and other European farmers paying artificially high prices for goods and produce. Inflation is alive and well on the continent and another figment of the imagination that this only happens in Brexit Britain, the only needless thing pushing up the cost of living crisis are radical green policies like ULEZ and other hair brained schemes that have the rest of the developing world sitting back laughing collectively at the West. Good post. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 12:05:13 GMT
The best considered practise to trading nations and the most liberalised is not harmonising regulations with one particular politcal bloc, but by mutual recognition, equivalence and adequacy of standards. This is what the rest of the world do. Other nations who trade with one another do not demand that in order to trade freely, they must surrender their regulatory autonomy to one another. That isn't how global trade works everyday. The EU is the anomaly - as usual with most things it does. It's not known for its innovation, entrepeneurialship or high growth, far from it, but an imperial regulator that stymies growth through its dirigiste approach to trade. The UK consumer has for forty years being paying higher prices for goods like fruit and veg, in comparison to the RoW, because they were ring fenced in the CU propping up French and other European farmers paying artificially high prices for goods and produce. Inflation is alive and well on the continent and another figment of the imagination that this only happens in Brexit Britain, the only needless thing pushing up the cost of living crisis are radical green policies like ULEZ and other hair brained schemes that have the rest of the developing world sitting back laughing collectively at the West. Good post. Seconded... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 22, 2023 12:55:05 GMT
This is the real EU... Fury at EU enforcing tariffs that will cripple UK business and create huge job losses Talks between the EU and UK over looming electric car tariffs are 'critical', a trade expert has said after an EU commissioner said changes can't be made to the Brexit trade deal. The European Union has snubbed calls for the Brexit trade deal to be altered over warnings that looming tariffs on electric vehicles will put jobs and exports at risk. Under the deal, 10 percent tariffs on electric car exports are due to come into force in January, although EU leaders are under mounting pressure to suspend the duty.
** Now they can do what they do best ......... Blackmail the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 13:10:47 GMT
Only a true dimwit would compare a once in a lifetime direct democratic vote to a GE. Brexit is a long term commitment that could take many years to work out, which is obviously a lot to ask from some BLM Marxists in the Labour party. Don't talk daft, Brexit means tariffs on our borders coming in and leaving the country, dead simple. If you have a 'sensible' comment other than it will be great in 20 or 30 years please elucidate. Democracy is about the 'will of the people' we keep getting told but how do we know what the true will of the people if we never get to aske the people, just like we do in a GE. You know, as well as I do, that things change and from all the poling peoples view of Brexit has changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 13:11:35 GMT
Brexit needs reversing, all but the most stupid realise it is a total mess. Total bollocks... Quote an actual Brexit benefit. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 22, 2023 13:13:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 13:16:37 GMT
We change our government every 5 years and sometimes less but never more except in extreme circumstances. Why is it 'democratically' acceptable to vote for a government every 5 years and not 'democratically' acceptable to vote on serious issues every five years or less? By your reasoning Johnson should still be PM and there should be no process for 'ditching' a bad PM. In you opinion, how long should a democratic decision last before it is revisited? Oh man, for goodness sake it's called 'democracy'. Democracy is when a government is voted for by the majority. Lefties tend to criticise it because the majority tend to be more sensible than to vote for left wing parties which is why Starmer wants to extend the vote to children. In 1992 John (The Bastard) Major handed us to the EU without a referendum, how long in your opinion should that decision have lasted? Going back to 1992 is a pointless exercise. You are the one putting an everlasting time period on votes. 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum Choice Votes % Remain 17,378,581 67.23 Leave 8,470,073 32.77 |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 13:16:40 GMT
Only a true dimwit would compare a once in a lifetime direct democratic vote to a GE. Brexit is a long term commitment that could take many years to work out, which is obviously a lot to ask from some BLM Marxists in the Labour party. Don't talk daft, Brexit means tariffs on our borders coming in and leaving the country, dead simple. If you have a 'sensible' comment other than it will be great in 20 or 30 years please elucidate. Democracy is about the 'will of the people' we keep getting told but how do we know what the true will of the people if we never get to aske the people, just like we do in a GE. You know, as well as I do, that things change and from all the poling peoples view of Brexit has changed. So you will be able to furnish proof that people's view have changed. I won't be holding My breath tho rr and neither will a very many others. Taint going you remnants ways these days is it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 14:53:29 GMT
April 2022 was the last time any opinion poll showed a majority in favour of LEAVE ( staying out of the EU ), by a marging of 2 percentage points, the poll was carried out by Redfield & Wilton. Since that time there have been NINETY different opinion polls, and every one shows that most British people would vote to REJOIN the EU. The very latest poll was conducted by Deltapoll between the 11th and 15th September and shows REJOIN leading by 11 points, which is a much wider gap than the gap between LEAVE and REMAIN in the referendum. For the time been the opinions of the electorate can be ignored, but if we continue on for many more years where most people want to REJOIN, it cannot be ignored. deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint230919 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 22, 2023 14:58:42 GMT
April 2022 was the last time any opinion poll showed a majority in favour of LEAVE ( staying out of the EU ), by a marging of 2 percentage points, the poll was carried out by Redfield & Wilton. Since that time there have been NINETY different opinion polls, and every one shows that most British people would vote to REJOIN the EU. The very latest poll was conducted by Deltapoll between the 11th and 15th September and shows REJOIN leading by 11 points, which is a much wider gap than the gap between LEAVE and REMAIN in the referendum. For the time been the opinions of the electorate can be ignored, but if we continue on for many more years where most people want to REJOIN, it cannot be ignored. deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint230919LOL.... notice you've overlooked buccaneers post to you. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2023 15:41:09 GMT
Quote an actual Brexit benefit. It put a temporary stop on austerity. Think it's coming back though. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2023 17:12:33 GMT
Quote an actual Brexit benefit. It put a temporary stop on austerity. Think it's coming back though. we can only dream... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 22, 2023 17:31:28 GMT
You dream of austerity? 😂
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 22, 2023 17:33:34 GMT
Fourthed (if that's a thing). |
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