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Post by sandypine on Sept 25, 2023 13:53:30 GMT
I thought Scottish history as a stand-alone subject per se ended around 1707. Serbian history did not stop in 1919 or thereabouts and start again in the 1990s. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 14:09:50 GMT
I dare say one could just as easily turn up an obsessive who dedicated his life to Yorkshire History as well but it would no doubt turn out to be similarly miniature in scope and as parochial as Devine's efforts appear to be. But I couldn't resist a smile at your inclusion of McBroon amongst his admirers. Anyway, as stated, I am ready to be educated. Can you elaborate on some of the highlights of Scottish History from the last three centuries, taking care to avoid events that occured and prominent figures that arose as a consequence of Scotland's role as a minor player in the British Empire?
To give you a bit of starter how many foreign wars have been fought by a Scottish army during the period in question? How many successful naval engagements? How many colonies were created by Scottish explorers planting the Saltire on foreign ground? In what other countries were the Scottish legal and educational systems and the Presbyterian church installed? That sort of thing rather than Dundee becoming the jute and marmalade capital of the world (under its own steam of course)
lmfao.
whats that you say danny? Is this a tacit admission that scottish history does exist....just that now you are relegating it to a level equal with yorkshire?  Is that jangling of bells the sound of a morris dancer moving goal posts?
yorkshire history is equivalent to say strathclyde history danny. Scotland , to england. Britian Though? The country that doesnt exist on any map , and appears a figment of empire enthusiasts imagination ?
why the last three centuries? Scottish history is 1200 years old mate. Is it only the bits you want to hide behind bwitian you want to talk about? Why dont we talk about say the last 50 years scotland was a member of our european community , or what about scotlands automatic citizenship of France?
My personal forte is scottish linguistic studies and our native language , and im a geat admirer of celtic studies and the medieval period.
If you want to talk about something more comfortable though in terms of scotland being in your "union" , how about the great scottish uprising of 1820 , where the united scotsmen tried to sever the union and set up a scottish republic?
depends what you mean by scottish army. At least two foreign wars were fought by the scottish army in the epriod in question , and countless scottish soldiers served in foreign wars and refused to fight on behalf of your country. perhaps you can be a bit more specific?
i like the story of jonh paul jones from dumfries , known as the father of the american navy. He fought and won many successfull naval skirmishes with your country , and of course helped his adopted country win their independenc.
so essentially dan , what you are saying is you want to dismiss the vast majority of scottish history , some 75 % of it , and demand we only talk about 25 % of it and dismiss the talk as bwitish rather than scottish history?
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 14:11:37 GMT
I thought Scottish history as a stand-alone subject per se ended around 1707. Serbian history did not stop in 1919 or thereabouts and start again in the 1990s. you have to humour dan. He is a product of englands proud education system. Prior to 1707 , a big grey historical area , and after ....bwitishness........ empire.......two world wars and one world cup........... |
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 14:14:22 GMT
Eh?
i disagree. You caould argue any battle that had some indirect consequence for scotland should therefore be taught in scottish history , but once again only stuff about this union is singled out. We could argue obscure roman , celtic , scandinavian or battles anywhere i nthe world that could be in some how linked indirectly to scotland should be included but they arent. The battle of brunanburgh , which isnt taught in england never mind scotland , a key defining battle that basically shaped the nations of these islands is just as if not far more imprortant than hastings but no one is taught that.
what are you talking about sandy? Are you not aware gaelic is scotlands native language , not scots? Scots at best is a dialect of middle english , and there are many arguemnts as to wether its a language in its own right or not .
i havent said it is. The point is two fold. All the countires of the uk have their own native languages , but we are forced to speak one countires language. why arent we speaking british instead of english if bwitiain is a country?
Second thing regarding regional accents , barely 8 % of the modern uk speak a standardised english.The majority use regional accents. no one is saying its pecualiar to scotland , and of ocurse scotland like england has many regional accents.
sandy im not with you here. Sorry dont take this the wrong way , im far from being a grammar pednat , but the problem with your posts is you fail to multi quote and its hard to follow the conversation , and much of whayt you write comes across garbled.
scotland has a right to defend itself. England didnt invade scotland at one time , what are you talking about? Its been a constant stream for 1300 years. you are polishing turds , and arguing tit for tat makes englands behaviour fine.
they were. Three kingdoms one monarch.You know this?
sorry not with you again. The king in england was the king of scotland and ireland....the link....but the parliament of england ws seperate from the rest. have no idea what you mean peripheral. You could argue that aboutany country at any time surrounding your beloved england including france. As for opportunistic ,what do you mean?
eh? the whole of the christain world , and i would argue perhaps muslim , have at timec closed their nations businesses for religous reasons past and present. Germany and france currently still do so. Do you dislike your own country that much you are prespared too muck rake and imply scotland is uniquely shite at every turn? I mean this is ridiculous sandy.
rubbish. Ireland is independent of london , and is part of the common travel area. Further , the idea those who chose to leave freedom of movement with 27 other european nations , many of them friends and neighbours , now bleating about potentially a border is fucking laughable. You will have to do better than that sandy if you want to be taken serious regading your union.
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I cannot stand multiquoting, it becomes disjointed and hard to follow and reply when it is split up so. But then that is maybe just me. ok sandy my apologies .Perhaps so the comments can flow more easily and answers make sense , you could dissect the pertinent paragrpahs you want to reply to into seperate posts. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 25, 2023 14:52:33 GMT
"yorkshire history is equivalent to say strathclyde history danny."
Yorkshire has about the same population as the whole of Scotland tommo. Mind you given the pigs-ear that the Snats made of the recent census nobody's really sure just how many Jocks there are now.
But no ripping yarns about the highlights of Scotch History since it became part the UK then? Can't say I'm surprised.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 25, 2023 14:54:28 GMT
I thought Scottish history as a stand-alone subject per se ended around 1707. Serbian history did not stop in 1919 or thereabouts and start again in the 1990s. It did, and for the same reason that Scottish did - it was subsumed within a greater whole. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 15:03:16 GMT
"yorkshire history is equivalent to say strathclyde history danny." Yorkshire has about the same population as the whole of Scotland tommo. Mind you given the pigs-ear that the Snats made of the recent census nobody's really sure just how many Jocks there are now. But no ripping yarns about the highlights of Scotch History since it became part the UK then? Can't say I'm surprised. It's all about licking somebody else's ring and hating the Engish.
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 15:24:29 GMT
"yorkshire history is equivalent to say strathclyde history danny." Yorkshire has about the same population as the whole of Scotland tommo. Mind you given the pigs-ear that the Snats made of the recent census nobody's really sure just how many Jocks there are now. But no ripping yarns about the highlights of Scotch History since it became part the UK then? Can't say I'm surprised. so not content with the climbdown that went scottish history doesnt exist to implying it does exist but its on a par with yorkshire ,you are now reduced to saying yorksires popualtion equals scotland as though that matters?
Does that then mean english history doesnt exist prior to 1800 , as there was more people in scotland ireland and wales than what was in england ?
you are one to talk the state your country is in. The continuing embarressment of hs2 , dodgy aircroft carriers with no aircraft and tanks made out of carboard. On top of that , you are on the cusp of your major political parties grovelling to be let back into the Eu , while some brexiters turn coat or are in denial about the liberals and labour being pro european. lets not digress though.
asking heavily loaded questions to restrict the conversation so you can make some puerile point. Hey. What do tam devine , michael lynch , and a whole host of other decorated and highly regarded writers and historians know.
According to england finest mind , the scotch and their history dont exist.
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 15:26:08 GMT
Serbian history did not stop in 1919 or thereabouts and start again in the 1990s. It did, and for the same reason that Scottish did - it was subsumed within a greater whole. so british history didnt exist by that rule from 1973 to 2020? right ho danny boy. We really are plumbing the depths of depravity in brit nat la la land now. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 15:27:37 GMT
"yorkshire history is equivalent to say strathclyde history danny." Yorkshire has about the same population as the whole of Scotland tommo. Mind you given the pigs-ear that the Snats made of the recent census nobody's really sure just how many Jocks there are now. But no ripping yarns about the highlights of Scotch History since it became part the UK then? Can't say I'm surprised. It's all about licking somebody else's ring and hating the Engish.
told you before many many times. If wanting indpendence from london is somehow hating all english , then 65 countires around the world must be guilty of it b4.
Im crying for you here.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 25, 2023 15:30:56 GMT
Serbian history did not stop in 1919 or thereabouts and start again in the 1990s. you have to humour dan. He is a product of englands proud education system. Prior to 1707 , a big grey historical area , and after ....bwitishness........ empire.......two world wars and one world cup........... Two World Cups! |
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Post by thomas on Sept 25, 2023 15:32:22 GMT
you have to humour dan. He is a product of englands proud education system. Prior to 1707 , a big grey historical area , and after ....bwitishness........ empire.......two world wars and one world cup........... Two World Cups! your pardon monte. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 25, 2023 15:36:15 GMT
It did, and for the same reason that Scottish did - it was subsumed within a greater whole. so british history didnt exist by that rule from 1973 to 2020? right ho danny boy. We really are plumbing the depths of depravity in brit nat la la land now. Desperate straw-clutching noises and sounds of furious barrel-scraping coming out of the damp, grey North. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 25, 2023 15:37:42 GMT
Granted. I blame the poor history teaching in Scottish schools.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 15:42:21 GMT
It's all about licking somebody else's ring and hating the Engish.
told you before many many times. If wanting indpendence from london is somehow hating all english , then 65 countires around the world must be guilty of it b4.
Im crying for you here.
Like I said, they're all about licking somebody else's ring. Hitler's, Putins, anyone will do because the truth is Scottish Nationalism is a fraud that lacks patriotism and even basic pride. They were also up the backside of London's political circle whilst British democracy was under attack post referendum.
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Is that jangling of bells the sound of a morris dancer moving goal posts?
