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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 1:13:13 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 21, 2023 1:24:46 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.”
So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote.
Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want.
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 3:11:35 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 21, 2023 3:33:00 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar Jesus, you are swivelled eye SNAT. You blame the English for Scottish greed whereby the Darien scheme saw the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament because you crippled your own economy and lost many lives that ultimately lead to the Union Act in 1707. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 21, 2023 6:53:17 GMT
The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar Jesus, you are swivelled eye SNAT. You blame the English for Scottish greed whereby the Darien scheme saw the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament because you crippled your own economy and lost many lives that ultimately lead to the Union Act in 1707. you dont half talk some nonsense on a consistent basis buccy. When i went to school in the late 70`s and eighties in the glasgow/paisley area , we were not taught barely any scottish history. Yet from an early age i grew up supporting scottish independence.
So the idea scots are being indoctirnated learning our countires own history is laughable nonsense.
As for darien , what a load of utter garbage. You dont know what you are talking about , and instead of us being indoctrinated , clearly you are indoctrinated regarding two world wars and one world cup history , with the big grey area prior to 1707.......
Myth number one – Scotland was bankrupt in 1707.
Well , no, it was not.
The Burghs were cash rich and the Scottish economy in the decade prior to 1707 was growing at 2.5% per annum according to research by the historian Michael Lynch. So who was bankrupt? Well that was the Scottish land owners who had mortgaged their lands to fund the Darien Scheme and if they had not been bailed out by Westminster, the Burgh middle classes would have taken control of Scotland – something the English Government could not allow. The ‘Whig’ English Government had also been buying off the Jacobite Lords in Scotland to ensure the Hanoverian succession at the cost of a £1 million a year ( £1 billion in today’s money). Further the Jacobite Lords were playing the ‘we could ask the French for help’ card which meant ‘Horse Guards’ had to keep English Regiments on the Scottish Border that were needed by Marlborough in continental Europe to prop up England’s war against France.
What actually happened was the incoming Tory Government of the day decided they were not gaining anything as Defoe quickly reported that most of the ‘Jacobite Lords’ were unlikely to support James’ VIIth claim on the thrones of Scotland and England so shifted the bribes from the ‘Jacobite Lords’ to the Tory inclined Scottish Lowland Lords who were in trouble with their Darien mortgage repayments coming due and being in danger of defaulting – the ‘parcel o rogues’ of Burns poem. The English Parliament needed the Union to secure their Northern border once and for all and created pressure to persuade the Scots that ‘Union’ was a good idea – one of which was siding with the Spanish to ensure Darien failed and another passing laws to exclude Scottish traders from all England’s colonies by imposing excessive duties.
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Post by thomas on Sept 21, 2023 6:57:55 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. eh?
Braveheart was a film loosely based upon the events in scotland in the late 13th early 14th century. The idea it was about the english versus the scottish is of course simplistic nonsense.
What is it about that film that sends people like you and this clown of a person over the edge buccy?
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Post by thomas on Sept 21, 2023 7:01:45 GMT
saw that moray. I think its any history that challenges tha modern fantasy that britain is a country and the british are a homogenous people sends certain people into meltdown.
It cant be nice for people like this to find out all they believe in is a lie . Imagine being taught that the scottish , ethincally , culturally historically and lingustically are a differnt people from the english with their own history that spans a millenia back to the 9th century and beyond.
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Post by om15 on Sept 21, 2023 8:06:53 GMT
Nothing new here, I went to school in Scotland in the 1960s, the history syllabus was most parochial, based firmly on Scottish history rather than general European and world wide history, even then the limits of Scottish education stopped firmly at the borders of Scotland.
This resulted in what we see today, blinkered and limited and often sectarian views of the world. I'm mildly surprised that after a decade of SNP governance schools attempt to teach anybody anything.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 10:59:16 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. Wallace was an outlaw, a murder a traitor. Rob Roy was a cattle thief. SNAT 'history' is a lie designed to promote anti English racism. And lets not forget the bits of history the SNATs love to gloss over. Scottish slave traders. |
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 11:23:49 GMT
The caller was talking bollocks. The National 5 and Higher exams cover various topics. www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/z2phvcw https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/subjects/zxpfb9qAnd, you're talking bollocks. Learning about your country's history is not indoctrination. The Wars of Independence is an important topic in Scottish history. Not to learn about Wallace, the traitors who were behind his capture and his eventual murder at the hands of the English would be doing a disservice to our youngsters. Not to learn about Bruce & Bannockburn would be a complete nonsense. Not to learn about Darien and how the English deliberately failed to help the Scottish colonists would be ridiculous. Not to learn about how we were sold down the river, by a majority of the upper classes would be lunacy. The treachery caused rioting throughout the country. Not to learn about the fact that we were not natural allies of the English would be crazy. In 1295 a Treaty was signed with the French which remained in place for a few centuries Better to have a real knowledge of ones country's past than to be inundated with foreign, English/British, propaganda. I remember, as an eleven year old schoolboy, being asked what book I would like as a prize. I immediately responded with 'one on Scottish history'. I was given a book about Gordon of Khartoum. Needless to say I threw it away at the first opportunity I do not remember much Scottish history being taught in school, all those years ago. We learned about 1066 and the Magna Carta but nothing about Stirling Bridge nor the Declaration of Arbroath. What should be taught is the Insurrection of 1820; John Maclean, Red Clydeside and the tanks in George Square in 1919. The wholesale slaughter carried out by British soldiers after Culloden. The Highland clearances, the Duke of Sutherland and his henchman Patrick Sellar Jesus, you are swivelled eye SNAT. You blame the English for Scottish greed whereby the Darien scheme saw the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament because you crippled your own economy and lost many lives that ultimately lead to the Union Act in 1707. And you seem to have little grasp of history. I advise you to read up on the Darien scheme and it's repercussions. More to the point it seems that you are unable to respond to the listed areas of Scottish history taught in the Scottish education system. It has got nothing to do with being anti English. |
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 11:52:03 GMT
Nothing new here, I went to school in Scotland in the 1960s, the history syllabus was most parochial, based firmly on Scottish history rather than general European and world wide history, even then the limits of Scottish education stopped firmly at the borders of Scotland. This resulted in what we see today, blinkered and limited and often sectarian views of the world. I'm mildly surprised that after a decade of SNP governance schools attempt to teach anybody anything. If you were educated in a Scottish school, which I very much doubt, you would know that is utter rubbish. We were taught very little Scottish history. It was a deliberate policy to prevent Scots getting uppity. Keep us believing that our history was non existent in its own right. It smacked of the other policies created to keep the Scots in their place - e.g. preventing the use of Gaelic and Scots in schools. In my area where the Doric dialect of Scots is the native language, use of it in schools merited a dose of corporal punishment. We were told that ours was not a language but a mere dialect of "proper" English. That the authorities were unable to stamp out the fact that Scots history & Scots language were different from England's shows great perseverance by our forebearers. |
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 11:55:27 GMT
The caller said, " I had to take her out because all she was fed was William Wallace, Braveheart, freedom – everything that’s good about Scotland.” “Everything that was bad about Scotland was down to the English and that’s all she was fed.” So, the education system indoctrinates the Jocks in victim-hood against the nasty Inglish, and the SNP try and get 16-17 year olds to vote. Shame on those for politically weaponising the education of children to vote the way the bravehearts want. Wallace was an outlaw, a murder a traitor. Rob Roy was a cattle thief. SNAT 'history' is a lie designed to promote anti English racism. And lets not forget the bits of history the SNATs love to gloss over. Scottish slave traders. I expected an ill informed response from you. Why was Wallace a traitor? He was one of the Scottish leaders in the fight against English aggression. |
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Post by om15 on Sept 21, 2023 12:07:31 GMT
Morton Academy, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire. 1966 to 1968.
Don't call me a liar, if I say something factual then it is true, you may not agree with my opinions but I don't tell lies, All right?
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Post by Vinny on Sept 21, 2023 12:22:13 GMT
Found guilty of it at trial.
Rightly hung drawn and quartered for treason.
Evil murderous twat Wallace was.
And you speak of English aggression? What English aggression?
Scotland invited the English King to come in and prevent civil war.
Wallace was a thug, a warlord a traitor, a murderer, a piece of shit.
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Post by morayloon on Sept 21, 2023 12:39:11 GMT
Morton Academy, Thornhill, Dumfriesshire. 1966 to 1968. Don't call me a liar, if I say something factual then it is true, you may not agree with my opinions but I don't tell lies, All right? The thing is, it is not factual. Your school, if you did go there, must have been the only one in Scotland that taught Scottish History. Anecdotes like the following I remember being told about: The death of Alexander III as a result of a fall from his horse. There was no mention of the Treaty of York (1237) which his father negotiated. That set the border between Scotland and England. Robert the Bruce and the spider. No mention of Bannockburn or the Declaration of Arbroath. Perhaps you could enlighten me regarding what you were taught and what was factually incorrect. |
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