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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 7:01:54 GMT
I have never asked for professional shoplifter to be treated with any sympathy, you are making that up.There are a myriad of reasons why shoplifters steal and some cases should be looked at with compassion, I am not even saying let them off, and others who should be banged up and the key thrown away. I would imagine that is the stance of most sane, caring people. Your post said exactly that. Either you posted it by mistake or you meant it . Ive explained it to you in a previous post . Go read it . The only post of mine that I could possibly think you may have misinterpreted is the following. "You may be right in a lot of ways.
Most shoplifters, I would expect, do it out of greed and the full force of the law should be applied to them, but more and more people are shoplifting for basics, baby milk, bread, butter.... should these people be incarcerated?
The trick is when 'calling out' lefty wokes is to lump real criminals with those that have real problems and applying their logic to all, a lefty wokey when saying that a person who has been caught shoplifting for baby food or the like, should be treated with compassion is accused of wanting to de-criminalise all shoplifting by the right, it's an easy win for the simple minded.
You are doing exactly the same in the comments you have made and do not appear to understand the term differentiation.
All shoplifters are criminals, and while that is true should a mother trying to feed her kids be treated the same as a careen shoplifter and 'banged up'?
That does not condone any shoplifting whether by 'desperate' people or career criminals. You are the straw man and a liar to beet. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2023 7:35:01 GMT
The claim that people are shoplifting for food in the UK because they are hungry and have no alternative course, is bogus.
It's just yet another cynical sabotage attempt
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Post by Bentley on Sept 26, 2023 10:02:11 GMT
Your post said exactly that. Either you posted it by mistake or you meant it . Ive explained it to you in a previous post . Go read it . I am not trawling through all my posts, you say you saw it but cannot produce it therefore you are lying. I’ve explained it to you and I’ve explained it to you supporter. You will merely deny the obvious and obfuscate then ask for it again . Thats what liars do and you are a liar . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 26, 2023 10:18:07 GMT
Your post said exactly that. Either you posted it by mistake or you meant it . Ive explained it to you in a previous post . Go read it . The only post of mine that I could possibly think you may have misinterpreted is the following. "You may be right in a lot of ways.
Most shoplifters, I would expect, do it out of greed and the full force of the law should be applied to them, but more and more people are shoplifting for basics, baby milk, bread, butter.... should these people be incarcerated?
The trick is when 'calling out' lefty wokes is to lump real criminals with those that have real problems and applying their logic to all, a lefty wokey when saying that a person who has been caught shoplifting for baby food or the like, should be treated with compassion is accused of wanting to de-criminalise all shoplifting by the right, it's an easy win for the simple minded.
You are doing exactly the same in the comments you have made and do not appear to understand the term differentiation.
All shoplifters are criminals, and while that is true should a mother trying to feed her kids be treated the same as a careen shoplifter and 'banged up'?
That does not condone any shoplifting whether by 'desperate' people or career criminals. You are the straw man and a liar to beet. You posted this you moron. “ I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters”ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/146740/threadWhich effectively states that you don’t understand how a mother steals under mitigating circumstances is not treated the same as a professional shop lifter. Which was pointed out to you by fair society in the first place . Then me ”You….. ”I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters.“ Me..You are asking why professional shoplifters are not treated with the same sympathy as mothers who steal , you numpty “ then I explained to your supporter ABrown “I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy( ie the mothers who steal ) and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters.“( do not ask for the same sympathy for professional shoplifters ). The meaning is clear . Whether he meant that is up to him to tell us .” I was easy to find . One person pointed it out , another person made excuses for you . It was explained 3 times while you merely played the obtuse imbecile debate method . Which is about your level of debate . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 12:06:28 GMT
The claim that people are shoplifting for food in the UK because they are hungry and have no alternative course, is bogus. It's just yet another cynical sabotage attempt I have not said that and you know I have not said that, I have always said that they 'feel' like they have no other choice. How would you feel if you were single, no fault of her own, had bills coming out of your ears no money in your purse and three hungry kids to feed? Not all people can cope with very difficult situations, if you can, be glad. You lot read what you like into what someone has said and then accuse them of misrepresentation. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 26, 2023 12:10:45 GMT
The claim that people are shoplifting for food in the UK because they are hungry and have no alternative course, is bogus. It's just yet another cynical sabotage attempt I have not said that and you know I have not said that, I have always said that they 'feel' like they have no other choice. How would you feel if you were single, no fault of her own, had bills coming out of your ears no money in your purse and three hungry kids to feed? Not all people can cope with very difficult situations, if you can, be glad. You lot read what you like into what someone has said and then accuse them of misrepresentation. Ever heard of food banks rr? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2023 12:17:12 GMT
The claim that people are shoplifting for food in the UK because they are hungry and have no alternative course, is bogus. It's just yet another cynical sabotage attempt I have not said that and you know I have not said that, I have always said that they 'feel' like they have no other choice. How would you feel if you were single, no fault of her own, had bills coming out of your ears no money in your purse and three hungry kids to feed? Not all people can cope with very difficult situations, if you can, be glad. You lot read what you like into what someone has said and then accuse them of misrepresentation. So you agree shoplifting should be punished, even if the shoplifter feels they were forced to shoplift? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 12:19:01 GMT
The only post of mine that I could possibly think you may have misinterpreted is the following. "You may be right in a lot of ways.
Most shoplifters, I would expect, do it out of greed and the full force of the law should be applied to them, but more and more people are shoplifting for basics, baby milk, bread, butter.... should these people be incarcerated?
The trick is when 'calling out' lefty wokes is to lump real criminals with those that have real problems and applying their logic to all, a lefty wokey when saying that a person who has been caught shoplifting for baby food or the like, should be treated with compassion is accused of wanting to de-criminalise all shoplifting by the right, it's an easy win for the simple minded.
You are doing exactly the same in the comments you have made and do not appear to understand the term differentiation.
All shoplifters are criminals, and while that is true should a mother trying to feed her kids be treated the same as a careen shoplifter and 'banged up'?
That does not condone any shoplifting whether by 'desperate' people or career criminals. You are the straw man and a liar to beet. You posted this you moron. “ I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters”ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/146740/threadWhich effectively states that you don’t understand how a mother steals under mitigating circumstances is not treated the same as a professional shop lifter. Which was pointed out to you by fair society in the first place . Then me ”You….. ”I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters.“ Me..You are asking why professional shoplifters are not treated with the same sympathy as mothers who steal , you numpty “ then I explained to your supporter ABrown “I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy( ie the mothers who steal ) and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters.“( do not ask for the same sympathy for professional shoplifters ). The meaning is clear . Whether he meant that is up to him to tell us .” I was easy to find . One person pointed it out , another person made excuses for you . It was explained 3 times while you merely played the obtuse imbecile debate method . Which is about your level of debate . “ I am not disputing the fact that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal, never have, never will but people like you cannot understand that people who want such people treated with sympathy and not severity do not ask the same of professional shoplifters”
I have quite clearly stated that a mother who steals to feed her kids is a criminal. I have also stated quite clearly that people who ask for sympathy for such mothers do not ask the same as professional criminals. Some people on this board are accusing people like me who has sympathy for mothers caught in very difficult circumstances are therefore saying that all shoplifters should be treated with sympathy and I explained quite clearly this is not true. To put it even plainer, people who ask for sympathy for mothers in difficult situations do not ask for sympathy for professional shoplifters. Stuff you insults were the sun don't shine and learn to read. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 12:20:20 GMT
I have not said that and you know I have not said that, I have always said that they 'feel' like they have no other choice. How would you feel if you were single, no fault of her own, had bills coming out of your ears no money in your purse and three hungry kids to feed? Not all people can cope with very difficult situations, if you can, be glad. You lot read what you like into what someone has said and then accuse them of misrepresentation. Ever heard of food banks rr? Yes, to this county's everlasting shame. Have you ever used a food bank? Have you ever watched Daniel Blake? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 12:21:45 GMT
I have not said that and you know I have not said that, I have always said that they 'feel' like they have no other choice. How would you feel if you were single, no fault of her own, had bills coming out of your ears no money in your purse and three hungry kids to feed? Not all people can cope with very difficult situations, if you can, be glad. You lot read what you like into what someone has said and then accuse them of misrepresentation. So you agree shoplifting should be punished, even if the shoplifter feels they were forced to shoplift?I have always agreed with that but sometimes it is sufficient for the shame they have brought on themselves. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 26, 2023 12:38:21 GMT
Ever heard of food banks rr? Yes, to this county's everlasting shame. Have you ever used a food bank? Have you ever watched Daniel Blake? Nope I haven't used a food bank as I am more fortunate than most. There is help out their if folk are in dire straits there is no need whatsoever for people to steal. You know that increases the cost to everyone don't you including you when you make a purchase. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 26, 2023 12:40:29 GMT
So you agree shoplifting should be punished, even if the shoplifter feels they were forced to shoplift?I have always agreed with that. I believe that's the current policy? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 13:49:31 GMT
Yes, to this county's everlasting shame. Have you ever used a food bank? Have you ever watched Daniel Blake? Nope I haven't used a food bank as I am more fortunate than most. There is help out their if folk are in dire straits there is no need whatsoever for people to steal. You know that increases the cost to everyone don't you including you when you make a purchase. I agree but not all people see it that way. For a woman and most men not being able to give your kids a proper meal or buy them the little niceties in life is an horrendous place to be and I speak from experience and they do not behave in a way that is expected.. And before you say it, which you will, "if they can't afford xyz they should teach their children not to expect it" or some such crap. It is extremely hard, nowadays, to see your kids in a world where most of their age group have nice things that are denied to you. Years ago it did not matter so much because everyone had nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 13:51:16 GMT
I have always agreed with that. I believe that's the current policy? You have missed the point of the thread then, the police are not prosecuting shoplifters and for that and other things, they are accused of being woke, according to Braverman. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 26, 2023 13:51:27 GMT
Nope I haven't used a food bank as I am more fortunate than most. There is help out their if folk are in dire straits there is no need whatsoever for people to steal. You know that increases the cost to everyone don't you including you when you make a purchase. I agree but not all people see it that way. For a woman and most men not being able to give your kids a proper meal or buy them the little niceties in life is an horrendous place to be and I speak from experience and they do not behave in a way that is expected.. And before you say it, which you will, "if they can't afford xyz they should teach their children not to expect it" or some such crap. It is extremely hard, nowadays, to see your kids in a world where most of their age group have nice things that are denied to you. Years ago it did not matter so much because everyone had nothing. FFs are you saying that there has never been rich or poor in our country rr? |
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