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Post by Orac on Oct 5, 2023 9:40:37 GMT
Zany systematically closes off all options for the British public, but to allow these people into the country and then to find themselves 'unfortunately' unable to deport them.
This will mean the number of applicants will grow without limit.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 14:43:36 GMT
Zany systematically closes off all options for the British public, but to allow these people into the country and then to find themselves 'unfortunately' unable to deport them.This will mean the number of applicants will grow without limit. Mr Strawman systematically closes off all options for the British public, but to allow these people into the country and then to find themselves 'unfortunately' unable to deport them. Corrected it for you.  |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 14:47:03 GMT
Orac has no workable or acceptable method of stopping these people coming into the country, so thrashes around looking for others to blame.
Will this mean we have to build barbed wire fences around the UK's beautiful coastline and drown people in the channel.
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Post by Orac on Oct 5, 2023 14:52:20 GMT
Orac has no workable or acceptable method of stopping these people coming into the country, so thrashes around looking for others to blame. Will this mean we have to build barbed wire fences around the UK's beautiful coastline and drown people in the channel. Zany, you are reinforcing my point. All the workable options are unacceptable to you. I have never suggested barbed wire fences. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 5, 2023 15:15:22 GMT
Right wingers are the biggest threat to this country. There are Right Wingers in probably every country, exposed by the number of Nazi volunteers from so many countries, including the UK, that volunteered to fight alongside Nazi Fascists in WWII. Right-wingers hide from reality by distorting reality in order to imply that everyone else is to blame for the countries problems while they are the only ones who have an answer to those problems. Doing this while all the time looking for personal elevation both politically and financially. Leading to Fascism and Dictatorship. The last line in your post above, IS extremist propaganda, and Fascist style State control is all you have to offer. Right-Wingers should always be challenged because whether deliberately or not they feed the sort of dishonest political points of view that encourage people to think that being right-wing is the way to go, while that way lies the greatest threat to our freedom and fairness. The views I air are not those of a Fascist hard Right two goose-steps away from Holocaust denial …they are the views of most Moderates in the UK … the Majority who voted for Brexit and Homeland security … not World Domination.It’s the stooges of the Left entrenched in our Media that are unwitting stupid tools of Nazi Zionist Deep State Globalism that pushes expansionism and ethnic cleansing in the Ukraine … just as the Mossad Posse, Tories and the BBC currently push ethnic cleansing of indigenous white Europeans from positions of power in Europe and Commonwealth Countries around the World including America with their BLM racist agendas. … If the Nazi Far Right is on the rise in Europe … blame Zionists and the MSM and corruption from politicians rolling out policies against the wishes of indigenous Europeans these past 50 years.🤔 - Shamocracy brought about in a Media Idiocracy. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 15:17:09 GMT
Orac has no workable or acceptable method of stopping these people coming into the country, so thrashes around looking for others to blame. Will this mean we have to build barbed wire fences around the UK's beautiful coastline and drown people in the channel. Zany, you are reinforcing my point. All the workable options are unacceptable to you. I have never suggested barbed wire fences. Well luckily for you I don't have the final say. So just put your suggestions to your government and the British people. Only so far all I've seen suggested is that we kill them in the English channel or drive them forcibly back to the French. All I have pointed out is the unviability of these suggestions, while proposing some possibly workable alternatives. Now stop prevaricating and trying to blame me and give us your final solution. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2023 15:37:16 GMT
Right wingers are the biggest threat to this country. There are Right Wingers in probably every country, exposed by the number of Nazi volunteers from so many countries, including the UK, that volunteered to fight alongside Nazi Fascists in WWII. Right-wingers hide from reality by distorting reality in order to imply that everyone else is to blame for the countries problems while they are the only ones who have an answer to those problems. Doing this while all the time looking for personal elevation both politically and financially. Leading to Fascism and Dictatorship. The last line in your post above, IS extremist propaganda, and Fascist style State control is all you have to offer. Right-Wingers should always be challenged because whether deliberately or not they feed the sort of dishonest political points of view that encourage people to think that being right-wing is the way to go, while that way lies the greatest threat to our freedom and fairness. The views I air are not those of a Fascist hard Right two goose-steps away from Holocaust denial …they are the views of most Moderates in the UK … the Majority who voted for Brexit and Homeland security … not World Domination.It’s the stooges of the Left entrenched in our Media that are unwitting stupid tools of Nazi Zionist Deep State Globalism that pushes expansionism and ethnic cleansing in the Ukraine … just as the Mossad Posse, Tories and the BBC currently push ethnic cleansing of indigenous white Europeans from positions of power in Europe and Commonwealth Countries around the World including America with their BLM racist agendas. … If the Nazi Far Right is on the rise in Europe … blame Zionists and the MSM and corruption from politicians rolling out policies against the wishes of indigenous Europeans these past 50 years.🤔 - Shamocracy brought about in a Media Idiocracy. While many true moderates like myself, do think that too many asylum seekers mixed with economic migrants is a serious problem most moderates know there is no easy answer without changing Laws that we feel compelled to accept. Neither you or any other right-wingers have a legal acceptable answer to the problem. You do not have a magic wand. I am pointing out that your approach starting with blaming the Left (you already moving to the right) and everything else along with everybody else, is as Fascist as one can get. I made the point that when right-wingers weave their web they encourage voters to swing to the right and thereby lies the danger of, deliberately or not, opening the doors to the far right and Fascism. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 5, 2023 16:23:14 GMT
While many true moderates like myself, do think that too many asylum seekers mixed with economic migrants is a serious problem most moderates know there is no easy answer without changing Laws that we feel compelled to accept. Neither you or any other right-wingers have a legal acceptable answer to the problem. You do not have a magic wand. I am pointing out that your approach starting with blaming the Left (you already moving to the right) and everything else along with everybody else, is as Fascist as one can get. I made the point that when right-wingers weave their web they encourage voters to swing to the right and thereby lies the danger of, deliberately or not, opening the doors to the far right and Fascism. Where is your evidence that the 52% that voted Brexit and secure borders were racist Nazis? … Self preservation and border protectionism isn’t a definition of ‘fascism’.🙄 … it’s a Moderist stance that reflects Common Sense …. something Labour and Tories have been missing for decades as they have guzzled themselves sick in the Globalists wealth trough … selling out our Democracy and Integrity to NATO dictates. … Calling us Fascist … that’s just a Leftist MSM labelling exercise made up to scare gullible idiots from voting for and introducing effective border controls in Europe within our Laws … If the Far Left have introduced Laws that make effective border control ineffective in today’s World … then we need to kick out the extreme Left and put Moderates back in CONTROL across the board to REPAIR THE STATUS QUO to how things were in Churchill’s day. … a tough Home Guard for a modern age threat. New Tories and Labour are clearly not up to the job … too many immigrants in tow with hidden agendas and riddled with corruption … from the look of things. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 5, 2023 16:25:02 GMT
Zany, you are reinforcing my point. All the workable options are unacceptable to you. I have never suggested barbed wire fences. Well luckily for you I don't have the final say. So just put your suggestions to your government and the British people. Only so far all I've seen suggested is that we kill them in the English channel or drive them forcibly back to the French. All I have pointed out is the unviability of these suggestions, while proposing some possibly workable alternatives. Now stop prevaricating and trying to blame me and give us your final solution. This is not unviable, you find it unacceptable. I don't find it unacceptable per se - if you are being invaded, you would be well advised to take whatever measures you can to prevent such a process continuing. Societies only exist today because, in the past, they ignored people like yourself when they needed to. However, IMHO this last ditch solution is not necessary presently - if people crossing the channel were to find themselves without wi-fi and in barracks accommodations in the Falklands, the applicant stream would very quickly dwindle to virtually nil |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2023 16:44:26 GMT
Strong showing for far-right in elections may rattle German politics. For months, political debate in Germany has been dominated by poll results that show rising support for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD), and the country will be closely watching how the insurgent right-wingers fare in Sunday's state elections in Hesse and Bavaria. This is despite the fact that the AfD will have little influence over the shape of future governments in either state. They are not leading in Bavaria or Hesse, and mainstream parties have a long-standing "firewall" policy of freezing the AfD out of coalition negotiations or political cooperation in general. Nevertheless, with the AfD polling at over 20% nationwide, the AfD's support among Bavarian and Hessian voters may prove one of the most significant aspects of Sunday's elections. In the last national elections in 2021 the AfD garnered 10.3%. Recent polls put support for the AfD at between 12% and 14% in Bavaria, and between 15% and 17% in Hesse. Those results put the AfD within a couple of percentage points of being the second-largest political force in both states – potentially surpassing Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats or his main coalition partner, the Greens.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 16:56:51 GMT
Well luckily for you I don't have the final say. So just put your suggestions to your government and the British people. Only so far all I've seen suggested is that we kill them in the English channel or drive them forcibly back to the French. All I have pointed out is the unviability of these suggestions, while proposing some possibly workable alternatives. Now stop prevaricating and trying to blame me and give us your final solution. This is not unviable, you find it unacceptable. I don't find it unacceptable per se - if you are being invaded, you would be well advised to take whatever measures you can to prevent such a process continuing. Societies only exist today because, in the past, they ignored people like yourself when they needed to. However, IMHO this last ditch solution is not necessary presently - if people crossing the channel were to find themselves without wi-fi and in barracks accommodations in the Falklands, the applicant stream would very quickly dwindle to virtually nil So the solution is to lock them up? Presumably without any due diligence. No sorting the genuine from the fake, just don't come here? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 5, 2023 16:59:19 GMT
This is not unviable, you find it unacceptable. I don't find it unacceptable per se - if you are being invaded, you would be well advised to take whatever measures you can to prevent such a process continuing. Societies only exist today because, in the past, they ignored people like yourself when they needed to. However, IMHO this last ditch solution is not necessary presently - if people crossing the channel were to find themselves without wi-fi and in barracks accommodations in the Falklands, the applicant stream would very quickly dwindle to virtually nil So the solution is to lock them up? Presumably without any due diligence. No sorting the genuine from the fake, just don't come here? They are free to leave. They are just not free to enter the rest of the UK - i.e. the one thing you insist they must be able to do while claiming that you do not |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 17:00:06 GMT
While many true moderates like myself, do think that too many asylum seekers mixed with economic migrants is a serious problem most moderates know there is no easy answer without changing Laws that we feel compelled to accept. Neither you or any other right-wingers have a legal acceptable answer to the problem. You do not have a magic wand. I am pointing out that your approach starting with blaming the Left (you already moving to the right) and everything else along with everybody else, is as Fascist as one can get. I made the point that when right-wingers weave their web they encourage voters to swing to the right and thereby lies the danger of, deliberately or not, opening the doors to the far right and Fascism. Where is your evidence that the 52% that voted Brexit and secure borders were racist Nazis? … Self preservation and border protectionism isn’t a definition of ‘fascism’.🙄 … it’s a Moderist stance that reflects Common Sense …. something Labour and Tories have been missing for decades as they have guzzled themselves sick in the Globalists wealth trough … selling out our Democracy and Integrity to NATO dictates. … Calling us Fascist … that’s just a Leftist MSM labelling exercise made up to scare gullible idiots from voting for and introducing effective border controls in Europe within our Laws … If the Far Left have introduced Laws that make effective border control ineffective in today’s World … then we need to kick out the extreme Left and put Moderates back in CONTROL across the board to REPAIR THE STATUS QUO to how things were in Churchill’s day. … a tough Home Guard for a modern age threat. New Tories and Labour are clearly not up to the job … too many immigrants in tow with hidden agendas and riddled with corruption … from the look of things. Show me the evidence that the 52% who voted for Brexit also shared your views on refugees and asylum seekers? Oh and before you evoke the spirit of Churchill he tried everything he had to make Europe as one to prevent further wars, both before and after the Second World war. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 5, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
Zany, you are reinforcing my point. All the workable options are unacceptable to you. I have never suggested barbed wire fences. Well luckily for you I don't have the final say. So just put your suggestions to your government and the British people. Only so far all I've seen suggested is that we kill them in the English channel or drive them forcibly back to the French. All I have pointed out is the unviability of these suggestions, while proposing some possibly workable alternatives. Now stop prevaricating and trying to blame me and give us your final solution. The last time I did that, you were in total denial, that we would. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 17:06:39 GMT
Well luckily for you I don't have the final say. So just put your suggestions to your government and the British people. Only so far all I've seen suggested is that we kill them in the English channel or drive them forcibly back to the French. All I have pointed out is the unviability of these suggestions, while proposing some possibly workable alternatives. Now stop prevaricating and trying to blame me and give us your final solution. The last time I did that, you were in total denial, that we would. Oh. I hadn't realised this thread had got to the point where you were on rinse repeat. I thought it had a bit more life |
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