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Post by zanygame on Sept 27, 2023 6:57:58 GMT
Interesting. I thought all the pro-Putin Blairites were abducted by aliens, Dubs. EDIT: Dubs and See2 working together.
Looks like this thread drifted off topic. … and got lost in the building trade and MDF. Its nice to exchange pleasantries now and then. Easy enough to pull it back. Just post something about the topic. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 27, 2023 14:29:35 GMT
Interesting. I thought all the pro-Putin Blairites were abducted by aliens, Dubs.
EDIT: Dubs and See2 working together.
Dishonest insults along with any personal insults, are frowned upon in the 'Mind Zone', you expose your immaturity in ignoring that. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 28, 2023 6:50:34 GMT
If one analyses the current anarchic destruction of the West today … and the current attacks on our Democracy by the hard LEFT-dominated MSM, Deep State and Religious Lobby of several sectarian denominations … surely it’s these Factions and their hidden Quangos that are a far more serious threat to our border security …than any numbskull Holocaust denier/anti-semite gathering for a tight-angled Fake News Spanish street protest.
…. File under “MK Ultra programming” … and let’s just get in politicians that refuse to prostitute themselves to the current Totalitarian Agenda … reject the Kalergi Plan wholesale … and will just promise to effectively restore our border security and flush out criminals, terrorists and insurgents.
Only then will some sort of Peace and Security be possible in this Country, Europe and the Free World. … and obscenely super rich Religious bullies marginalised to the periphery … where their NAZI FASCISM belongs.
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Post by see2 on Sept 28, 2023 7:27:19 GMT
If one analyses the current anarchic destruction of the West today … and the current attacks on our Democracy by the hard LEFT-dominated MSM, Deep State and Religious Lobby of several sectarian denominations … surely it’s these Factions and their hidden Quangos that are a far more serious threat to our border security …than any numbskull Holocaust denier/anti-semite gathering for a tight-angled Fake News Spanish street protest! …. File under “MK Ultra programming” … and let’s just get in politicians that refuse to prostitute themselves to the current Totalitarian Agenda … reject the Kalergi Plan wholesale … and will just promise to effectively restore our border security and flush out criminals, terrorists and insurgents.Only then will some sort of Peace and Security be possible in this Country, Europe and the Free World. … and obscenely super rich Religious bullies marginalised to the periphery … where their NAZI FASCISM belongs! Meanwhile the UK has just had 13years of Conservative governments and are 'threatened' by a possible Center Left government. Making the language in your post look rather extreme. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 28, 2023 8:32:16 GMT
If one analyses the current anarchic destruction of the West today … and the current attacks on our Democracy by the hard LEFT-dominated MSM, Deep State and Religious Lobby of several sectarian denominations … surely it’s these Factions and their hidden Quangos that are a far more serious threat to our border security …than any numbskull Holocaust denier/anti-semite gathering for a tight-angled Fake News Spanish street protest. …. File under “MK Ultra programming” … and let’s just get in politicians that refuse to prostitute themselves to the current Totalitarian Agenda … reject the Kalergi Plan wholesale … and will just promise to effectively restore our border security and flush out criminals, terrorists and insurgents.Only then will some sort of Peace and Security be possible in this Country, Europe and the Free World. … and obscenely super rich Religious bullies marginalised to the periphery … where their NAZI FASCISM belongs. Meanwhile the UK has just had 13years of Conservative governments and are 'threatened' by a possible Center Left government. Making the language in your post look rather extreme. Apologies See2 … a couple of superfluous exclamation marks … now amended. But I get your point … … when it come to extreme labelling … I feel it’s the Left that have been manipulated rather badly and have been guilty misappropriating the ‘N’ word to every Brexit voter and person interested in border security and Law and Order. If Net+Yahoo and Glastonbury Management can do ‘extreme border security’ with barely a flicker of complaint from their darlings in the MSM … why can’t we Moderates who acknowledge the Holocaust and loath Nazi thugs? … especially those being the tail that wags the dog in Ukraine, eh??…..🤔 |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 28, 2023 11:54:47 GMT
Meanwhile the UK has just had 13years of Conservative governments and are 'threatened' by a possible Center Left government. Making the language in your post look rather extreme. Apologies See2 … a couple of superfluous exclamation marks … now amended. But I get your point … … when it come to extreme labelling … I feel it’s the Left that have been manipulated rather badly and have been guilty misappropriating the ‘N’ word to every Brexit voter and person interested in border security and Law and Order. If Net+Yahoo and Glastonbury Management can do ‘extreme border security’ with barely a flicker of complaint from their darlings in the MSM … why can’t we Moderates who acknowledge the Holocaust and loath Nazi thugs? … especially those being the tail that wags the dog in Ukraine, eh??…..🤔 For me, the lefts reaction to those "Interested in border security" is more one of a deliberate lack of clarification by those wanting the boats stopped. Everyone wants the boats stopped, left and right. The unaddressed question is by what means. The lack of any coherent answer to that is "we don't care" gun them down, drown them in the channel, ram them with ships. We don't mind if they die, they shouldn't be coming here. That would be an extremist view by most measures. I find the same with climate change. Its not affecting us, so big deal if a load of people in Khuzestan have their crops fail, that's not our business or duty. Effectively says we don't mind mass genocide, but we can't bring ourselves to utter the actual words. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 5:18:19 GMT
Apologies See2 … a couple of superfluous exclamation marks … now amended. But I get your point … … when it come to extreme labelling … I feel it’s the Left that have been manipulated rather badly and have been guilty misappropriating the ‘N’ word to every Brexit voter and person interested in border security and Law and Order. If Net+Yahoo and Glastonbury Management can do ‘extreme border security’ with barely a flicker of complaint from their darlings in the MSM … why can’t we Moderates who acknowledge the Holocaust and loath Nazi thugs? … especially those being the tail that wags the dog in Ukraine, eh??…..🤔 For me, the lefts reaction to those "Interested in border security" is more one of a deliberate lack of clarification by those wanting the boats stopped. Everyone wants the boats stopped, left and right. The unaddressed question is by what means. The lack of any coherent answer to that is "we don't care" gun them down, drown them in the channel, ram them with ships. We don't mind if they die, they shouldn't be coming here. That would be an extremist view by most measures. I find the same with climate change. Its not affecting us, so big deal if a load of people in Khuzestan have their crops fail, that's not our business or duty. Effectively says we don't mind mass genocide, but we can't bring ourselves to utter the actual words. It’s a good point, Zany. Countries used to have the infrastructure and Forces to secure their borders for centuries … by whatever means were necessary to support the LAW. …. but the Left Wing Anarchists that got into creating the EU and undermining our borders + LAW + ORDER … (recently with BLM) - their damaging ideas got into our Media and Parliament years ago (through false pretences and promises)- they decided to dismantle those defensive mechanisms … and distracted our Armed DEFENSIVE Forces to be engaged in OFFENSIVE capacities supporting U.S./BLM/ISLAMIC/NATO/EU/Soros/Israeli Posse neo-Nazi expansionism and ethnic cleansing in the Middle East + Ukraine recently. It’s the EU and the UK Governments responsibility to restore it’s Military to defensive duties fulfilling the wishes of British citizens to defend us from mass invasion … not to prop up the financial interests of a Globalist elite determined to destroy World trade, create acute shortages and mass starvation over stupid Sanctions against Russia … especially over a local spat … confronting ultra-Nationalist Ukrainian ethnic-cleansers. I’m sure the Deep State and SAS in the UK and special Forces in the EU has the ability to stop refugee boats and criminal gangs operating shuttle boats across the Mediterranean and English Channel … without gunning people down and drowning them. French failure to stop this trafficking might result in British Force intervention within the French 12 mile limit … to humanly as possible prevent such vessels leaving the shores of France. … if this dispute with France leads to war with the EU … then German and French collective 40 year leadership failures together with Juncker/Van der Leyen’s complete incompetence over border security …. will be to blame for that. This repatriation operation is going to get messy … and immigrants like Sunak, Patel, Khan and the Zionist Posse are clearly not up to the job. Casualties are bound to occur when determined criminal people try to bypass the Legal Process … and resist repatriation to their Countries of origin … and make false claims about ‘persecution’ … say and do anything in a last ditch effort to dupe the British Public and gain entry. Tough actions require tough counter measures … those that roll with every emotive Press picture and headline … are clearly not equipped to run a Country like Britain … … ask Net+Yahoo and the Management of Glastonbury? … do they give a shit what wishy-washy liberals think about a FREE SOCIETY? … nah … they get the job done … stick up their fences and border security … keep out the ‘rabble and criminals’ …… ….. and then have the temerity and utter HYPOCRISY to lecture Britain/Brexit voters and Trump and his supporters who wanted to do the same years ago. P.S. Crops fail everywhere … the reasons are complex and disputed by real scientists … Maybe they will eventually get to be FREELY heard? … without current MSM Censorship? BEING FORCED TO BUY AN ELECTRIC CAR and BEING ECONOMICALLY FORCED OUT OF JOBS and OUR CITIES BY WOKE YUPPIES … forced to abandoning fossil fuels before an effective series of proper measures are put in place to effectively shift weather patterns … is a very fascist way of going about things. Allowing hoards of Third World people to ILLEGALLY invade the West and damage local communities and environments … and engage full tilt in a Western lifestyle … isn’t going to help climate change or curb population growth and pressure on the Planet, is it? … especially when these religious cultures refuse to use condoms …breed like rabbits … and will have a modern NHS to massively reduce infant mortality. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 7:35:10 GMT
For me, the lefts reaction to those "Interested in border security" is more one of a deliberate lack of clarification by those wanting the boats stopped. Everyone wants the boats stopped, left and right. The unaddressed question is by what means. The lack of any coherent answer to that is "we don't care" gun them down, drown them in the channel, ram them with ships. We don't mind if they die, they shouldn't be coming here. That would be an extremist view by most measures. I find the same with climate change. Its not affecting us, so big deal if a load of people in Khuzestan have their crops fail, that's not our business or duty. Effectively says we don't mind mass genocide, but we can't bring ourselves to utter the actual words. It’s a good point, Zany. To my knowledge there has never been a security force who's job is to stop refugees or one that has successfully done so. (Excepting the Nazis) What has changed is the world, transport and the trafficking gangs. Again the unsaid. They must just do it, but never how. How? Without killing people. Once again you dodge the bullet (pun) by saying someone else must be able to come up with a method. I suggest a different explanation. That it s just no possible to do it without eventually killing some people. Why haven't these deep state SAS and special forces stopped the immense drugs trade that lows into this country. Is that lefties wanting the UK drowning in Cocaine and heroin? So again no solution, just criticism. Well at least a vague suggestion here of what you dare not say. We might forcibly return them to France, but some will inevitably die as a result. Not to mention the risk of open conflict with the EU. Do you think your right wing counterparts in France and Germany would accept your solution? Would they react to British warships in their waters? How would you react the EU forces guiding the dinghies to our shores? Nice. We invade their territory and you blame them. Is there anything you can't shirk responsibility for. Messy, is a good description of the inevitable deaths of hundreds of people including British sailors. I'm sure their families would happily accept "It was messy" as an explanation for why their boy died. Yes, focus on killing the traffickers, that makes it sound more palatable. Unfortunately it ignores the reality. Yeah bring back Hitler, he was a strong guy who knew how to deal with undesirables living within his country. That went well. Still he was a leftie wasn't he, so its not about your political leanings is it. No idea what you're on about here. Well obviously if you deny climate change is happening and is caused by man, then you are not to blame for crop failures in poor countries. But your very alone in that these days. Glad you finished with your real views. A stereotyped view of the diverse peoples from several hundred different countries. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Sept 30, 2023 8:52:10 GMT
It’s a good point, Zany. To my knowledge there has never been a security force who's job is to stop refugees or one that has successfully done so. (Excepting the Nazis) What has changed is the world, transport and the trafficking gangs. Again the unsaid. They must just do it, but never how. How? Without killing people. Once again you dodge the bullet (pun) by saying someone else must be able to come up with a method. I suggest a different explanation. That it s just no possible to do it without eventually killing some people. Why haven't these deep state SAS and special forces stopped the immense drugs trade that lows into this country. Is that lefties wanting the UK drowning in Cocaine and heroin? So again no solution, just criticism. Well at least a vague suggestion here of what you dare not say. We might forcibly return them to France, but some will inevitably die as a result. Not to mention the risk of open conflict with the EU. Do you think your right wing counterparts in France and Germany would accept your solution? Would they react to British warships in their waters? How would you react the EU forces guiding the dinghies to our shores? Nice. We invade their territory and you blame them. Is there anything you can't shirk responsibility for. Messy, is a good description of the inevitable deaths of hundreds of people including British sailors. I'm sure their families would happily accept "It was messy" as an explanation for why their boy died. Yes, focus on killing the traffickers, that makes it sound more palatable. Unfortunately it ignores the reality. Yeah bring back Hitler, he was a strong guy who knew how to deal with undesirables living within his country. That went well. Still he was a leftie wasn't he, so its not about your political leanings is it. No idea what you're on about here. Well obviously if you deny climate change is happening and is caused by man, then you are not to blame for crop failures in poor countries. But your very alone in that these days. Glad you finished with your real views. A stereotyped view of the diverse peoples from several hundred different countries. To answer all your points in a nutshell …. Today’s World is all about Tribal self-protectionism … and border control. … Tribal wars will always blight our World. And border breeches destroy cultures. Your simplistic views and inability to fathom how to do effective border control … pretending not to understand Glastonbury fences and Israeli actions and motivations … which clearly shows land solutions to dangerous violent invasion. Believe me … the UK has a moat … water solutions are much easier. People will drown if they can’t swim and attempt stupid illegal entry into the UK. Repeatedly towing boats back to sink them in French harbours is humane enough … and will soon get the French and this criminal corrupt EU to face it’s responsibilities. People will die in those battles … get over it. Many people have died and been murdered by these invaders. BREAKING THE LAW. Many have died in Ukraine because these corrupt Western Governments gave Ukraine weapons instead of Peace Talks. When are Labour and Tory MP’s going to face their responsibilities for those deaths? Hypocrits! The UK People demand security … failure to deliver since the Brexit vote …. is a corruption of our Democracy. Why are you and your MSM supporting hostile Religious Sectarian Factions working to destroy the indigenous people’s of Europe? …. This has created the State of Chaos we see today in the West … since 9/11 …. that Conspiracy Theorists told you would happen years ago. Only stupid cultures stay on the same path for 20 years … following the same MSM/Deep State/Religious bullies … that have engineering current Western destruction …. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 30, 2023 16:26:33 GMT
That answers nothing. It tells the state of the world, but offers no solution to the problem. And that is the answer I asked for. For clarity Right wingers repeatedly blame some sort of Left wing shadow force for causing the problem and claim it could be easily solved were it not for this group. But when it comes down to it they cannot say what this solution is. Or that if it involves killing people, then admit that's what they mean and thus enable discussion of the consequences. SO WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SOLUTION. THE DETAIL. My views are anything but simplistic, its you who seems to think we could protect the UK with a tall fence Lol. The reason I didn't understand the Glastonbury reference is that I couldn't believe you actually thought it was that simple. Again the incredibly dim idea that you could fence and patrol the UK's 11,000 mile coast line to stop illegal migrants is beyond funny. Its sad. Get over it? These are human lives we are talking about. Very few people have been murdered by these invaders. Certainly compared to your proposal. Still we are at least getting nearer to revealing your chosen solution. Maybe we will get to the point where you clearly lay out your proposals in a way that does not allow you to back away and claim leftie exaggeration when challenged. Then we can really discuss the consequences of your proposals. Could the other Right wingers on here who believe illegal migrants are Britain's biggest problem please say if they support Dubdrifters chosen solution, and when they think it goes too far? It would be interesting. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 1, 2023 11:17:36 GMT
Zany, … I appreciate the points you are making … if I had more time here … I would detail further practical ways to stop illegal immigration … amply demonstrated by the Glastonbury and Net+Yahoo examples which you chose to brush aside as not effective … strange … with technological surveillance and rapid response patrol units … it can be done … on water too … humanely. Fast high speed motor speed boat responses … Arrests of traffickers, their fast track deportation …. repeated towing back to harbours in France and Holland.
The Berlin Wall worked for years … moats worked for centuries … you don’t need me to waste my time giving you more practical solutions … just open your eyes at what works. Stop playing dumb!
People have drowned stupidly ill-equipped trying to cross ‘moats’ … what you see today is those dumped into the water by uncaring criminal murdering traffickers … and the Press guilt-trips us WE are Far Right and IRRESPONSIBLE for the crimes of these gangsters?? Laughable!🤪
Your emotional blackmail has run out of steam, Zany … based on a multitude of MSM lies and distortions.
Emotive Press photos of drowned toddlers on beaches are used by Zionists to push forward their Kalergi Plan … forced invasion of Europe and the UK … and you are complicit in that deception.… Time for you to hang your head in shame … it is dishonesty at the highest level tbh.
People will die confronting the Law of Countries that don’t want them swarming in … they are mostly economic migrants … get your super rich globalist robbers to fund them a sustainable living/existence in their Countries of origin. … instead of raping and pillaging them of resources and sustainable economies … like these free roaming GLOBALIST SOROS POSSE PIRATES have done to Europe and the UK.
It’s well overdue INTERPOL got out of bed with these criminals … and did their jobs for a change. …. rounded up these few key ‘Mafia’ Gang bosses thinking they can run our World and stamp on our Democracies. … put them on trial for their Anarchy, Extortions and Genocides … preferably in a Country and State with an active effective death penalty.
… So we can see REAL JUSTICE done.
THEY run the propaganda broadsheets that brain-washed gullible people to break our borders and home security … a job our Home Office and Interpol has criminally neglected these past 40 years …
If you are going to back Globalist fascism that supports invasion of Third World nations (Blair and his mythical WMD’s) … care to climb down from your high horse when we tell you forced reversed Colonialisation engineered by foreigners isn’t something we are remotely interested in … but as Moderates who are not Far Right … we will repel as humanely as possible.
If invaders ignore that rejection and drown in there attempts to reach somewhere they are not wanted … maybe their relatives will admit their stupidity to waste their money being ripped off by traffickers …. and will apply for entry into Britain through OFFICIAL APPLICATION methods.
… we need to toughen ours up to be harder than Australia and New Zealand Laws … because we are a much smaller island and have too many illegal immigrants running around freely … lawbreakers that need removing … like our current MP’s.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 1, 2023 11:39:14 GMT
Again the incredibly dim idea that you could fence and patrol the UK's 11,000 mile coast line to stop illegal migrants is beyond funny. Its sad. Get over it? These are human lives we are talking about. Very few people have been murdered by these invaders. It’s a shame you belittle indigenous deaths and victims of immigrant crime. Just because Tories and Labour haven't the political FREE WILL to represent British indigenous interests to effectively secure us from immigrant criminality, terrorism and murder … doesn’t mean it can’t be done effectively. Bring our Navy home … stop distracting it protecting U.S./Zionist interests …. and given FREE REIN … it will effectively sort out these traffickers. Gunboat diplomacy. … just keep the biased Press with their hidden Kalergi Agendas away … job done.👍 Desperate people will always die in confrontations with the Law. Get over it … and stop putting criminals lives on a pedestal above the lives and community security of Law-abiding citizens. … who are not Far Right btw! … logic says … don’t break Laws … cooperate with the Law … and you won’t get hurt. Maybe you anarchist Lefties, Globalist Nazis and your BLM immigrants used to living in lawless societies need to learn that simple lesson. … it’s not exactly ‘rocket science’ .. is it?? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 2, 2023 4:49:34 GMT
FPTP has always proved a bulwark for the Old Gang parties, preventing the emergence of fringe political factions except those which don't present any form of existential threat. UKIP showed the effect of that in 2015. Despite winning 12.6% of the popular vote, more than every other 'nationalist' party and the LibDems combined, it failed to win a single seat other than the one brought over previously by Douglas Carswell. The SNP with 4.7% of the popular won 56 seats. Don't forget a Tory went to jail over that seat that Farage was contesting over election spending, much later. We don't know how many other tricks were going on at times which did not go public. I agree that UKIP lacked good MP prospects (there is reason for that too, the other parties have a way to milk the system) yet gained 5m million votes for UKIP and this was more than either the Lib Dems or the SNP got and was making a mockery of our political system as UKIP was bigger without any seats. The only PR system that would have recognised UKIP in the EU was Germany to my knowledge. Marion Little, suspended sentence, not actually sent to prison. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 2, 2023 13:10:37 GMT
Don't forget a Tory went to jail over that seat that Farage was contesting over election spending, much later. We don't know how many other tricks were going on at times which did not go public. I agree that UKIP lacked good MP prospects (there is reason for that too, the other parties have a way to milk the system) yet gained 5m million votes for UKIP and this was more than either the Lib Dems or the SNP got and was making a mockery of our political system as UKIP was bigger without any seats. The only PR system that would have recognised UKIP in the EU was Germany to my knowledge. Marion Little, suspended sentence, not actually sent to prison. It was so long after the event the significance was missed. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 5, 2023 9:22:55 GMT
Again the incredibly dim idea that you could fence and patrol the UK's 11,000 mile coast line to stop illegal migrants is beyond funny. Its sad. Get over it? These are human lives we are talking about. Very few people have been murdered by these invaders. It’s a shame you belittle indigenous deaths and victims of immigrant crime. Just because Tories and Labour haven't the political FREE WILL to represent British indigenous interests to effectively secure us from immigrant criminality, terrorism and murder … doesn’t mean it can’t be done effectively. Bring our Navy home … stop distracting it protecting U.S./Zionist interests …. and given FREE REIN … it will effectively sort out these traffickers. Gunboat diplomacy. … just keep the biased Press with their hidden Kalergi Agendas away … job done.👍 Desperate people will always die in confrontations with the Law. Get over it … and stop putting criminals lives on a pedestal above the lives and community security of Law-abiding citizens. … who are not Far Right btw! … logic says … don’t break Laws … cooperate with the Law … and you won’t get hurt. Maybe you anarchist Lefties, Globalist Nazis and your BLM immigrants used to living in lawless societies need to learn that simple lesson. … it’s not exactly ‘rocket science’ .. is it?? Right wingers are the biggest threat to this country. There are Right Wingers in probably every country, exposed by the number of Nazi volunteers from so many countries, including the UK, that volunteered to fight alongside Nazi Fascists in WWII. Right-wingers hide from reality by distorting reality in order to imply that everyone else is to blame for the countries problems while they are the only ones who have an answer to those problems. Doing this while all the time looking for personal elevation both politically and financially. Leading to Fascism and Dictatorship. The last line in your post above, IS extremist propaganda, and Fascist style State control is all you have to offer. Right-Wingers should always be challenged because whether deliberately or not they feed the sort of dishonest political points of view that encourage people to think that being right-wing is the way to go, while that way lies the greatest threat to our freedom and fairness. |
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