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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 10:39:22 GMT
With what the UK has shelled out on this illegal invasion would have built a 20 foot high fence all around the UK using razor wire comeplete with landmines. Why not outline a reasonable legal way of dealing with the problem? Fences are still technically legal in some parts of the UK |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 22, 2023 12:18:46 GMT
Why not outline a reasonable legal way of dealing with the problem? Fences are still technically legal in some parts of the UK Razor wire is not legal in public places like beaches. You would be liable for any injury caused by it. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 12:28:45 GMT
Fences are still technically legal in some parts of the UK Razor wire is not legal in public places like beaches. You would be liable for any injury caused by it. Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 22, 2023 12:38:18 GMT
Razor wire is not legal in public places like beaches. You would be liable for any injury caused by it. Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" We are not at war. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 12:46:37 GMT
Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" We are not at war. Regardless - it is still legal, and so, the piece of pedantry that began this conversation was misplaced |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 15:04:04 GMT
Well my answer to that is shame on us with our massive wealth gap. Its an excuse to blame the rich and those who protect them. That we have poverty in one of the richest countries in the world with a larger wealth gap than any other European country. To try and blame that poverty on the tiny amount spent on refugees and asylum seekers is not only wrong, its absurd. Nice dodge. They could stay locked up or return to the place they fled. Or go anywhere else that wants them. By which you mean I wont accept your solution of life imprisonment. Phrase it any way you like. The choices are still Remain in custody for the rest of your life. Leave and go somewhere else, who knows where. Could the law be changed so that those who refuse to help the authorities identify them or hide their identities lose the right to refugee status? Well actually if you can remember I'm not Mr Strawman just for a moment. I (as in Zany) said we should have offshore processing centres. So I insisted nothing of the sort. However atleast if they were obliged to give the authorities any information requested and answer questions then sorting the genuine from the fraudsters should be quite a swift process. Feel free to lock the fraudsters up on Muckle Flugga if you want. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 15:10:31 GMT
Its an excuse to blame the rich and those who protect them. That we have poverty in one of the richest countries in the world with a larger wealth gap than any other European country. To try and blame that poverty on the tiny amount spent on refugees and asylum seekers is not only wrong, its absurd. Or go anywhere else that wants them. Phrase it any way you like. The choices are still Remain in custody for the rest of your life. Leave and go somewhere else, who knows where. Well actually if you can remember I'm not Mr Strawman just for a moment. I (as in Zany) said we should have offshore processing centres. So I insisted nothing of the sort. However atleast if they were obliged to give the authorities any information requested and answer questions then sorting the genuine from the fraudsters should be quite a swift process. Feel free to lock the fraudsters up on Muckle Flugga if you want. Whatever the UK does you kick off about the usual HR bollocks Zany. I cant understand the mentality of bitching about this influx whilst still upholding the EUSSR. Would you care to explain? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 15:54:05 GMT
To try and blame that poverty on the tiny amount spent on refugees and asylum seekers is not only wrong, its absurd. I did not. I accused you of using the existence of poverty in the Uk as a blind to abuse the UK public. "It's not my fault some people have a low standard of living in the UK and so my minimum standards for refugees are above a standard of living experienced by many uk citizens - cough up , I want to spend more of your money on refugees"In this latest post you waffled off piste about inequality because you can't morally justify your silly position and so need desperately to talk about something else. Phrase it any way you like. The choices are still Remain in custody for the rest of your life.; Leave and go somewhere else, who knows where. It's rather you who are engaging in a gross distortion. People who offer domestic abuse shelters aren't incarcerating the people who they offer shelter to because they don't give them free, unfettered access to their house. Such a person is being offered a temporary sanctuary from a supposed danger. Oh...it was living in the uk they actually wanted and any danger was only a secondary concern? That's the point. However atleast if they were obliged to give the authorities any information requested and answer questions then sorting the genuine from the fraudsters should be quite a swift process. Feel free to lock the fraudsters up on Muckle Flugga if you want. This seems to be completely deluded. The present tactic is to not answer questions (lie), have no identification and consequently remain in the UK against the wishes of most of the UK public. How would you propose to deal with this? Would you allow them to escape the process? - the answer is, yes you would. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 15:55:41 GMT
Whatever the UK does you kick off about the usual HR bollocks Zany. What has the UK done? All I've answered is crappy suggestions from a bunch of rightwingers on a forum. I don't see the link. I support membership of the Eu. I don't want fraudsters pretending to be asylum seekers, but I don't want genuine asylum seekers locked up for life. What the Eu has to do with that I don't know. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 22, 2023 16:10:09 GMT
Why not outline a reasonable legal way of dealing with the problem? Fences are still technically legal in some parts of the UK But refusing asylum apparently isn't. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 16:11:24 GMT
To try and blame that poverty on the tiny amount spent on refugees and asylum seekers is not only wrong, its absurd. You started by saying "It's a lot better than many UK citizens endure.". Maybe but that's not the refugees fault. So theirs no connection as our poverty is due to our own systems. No one said it was your fault. And I'm sure refugees would be happy living in minimum standard accommodation of the British public. The but that's different is yo locking them in for life or until they leave. You raised the standard of living of some Brits, not me. If you'd prefer me not to answer you, just say. Phrase it any way you like. The choices are still Remain in custody for the rest of your life.; Leave and go somewhere else, who knows where. Or garden, or town, city, country? This stupid comparison shows the weakness of your argument and the discomfort you feel with your suggestion. Why don't you just admit its a prison. Locking people in is a prison. Giving refugees a choice between staying in the locked place or leaving the country is your suggestion. Comparing keeping someone out of your kitchen with stopping them going anywhere inside or outside in a whole country is pathetic. Hmm. To continue your analogy. They could leave anytime they like provided its back to their abuser. So basically locked in forever. However atleast if they were obliged to give the authorities any information requested and answer questions then sorting the genuine from the fraudsters should be quite a swift process. Feel free to lock the fraudsters up on Muckle Flugga if you want. Literally my suggestion. Saying something is deluded because you cannot understand what's said. Is a little insecure, don't you think. If they refuse to answer questions to help identify them they would lose their refugee/asylum status and be locked up or deported. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 22, 2023 16:17:35 GMT
Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" We are not at war. That is a moot point. Breaching another countries borders has long been recognised as an act of war most especially by large groups of armed men. We are only not at war because our government has not declared war or an emergency. They can do boht or either, they choose not to which is a very strange way to protect one's borders. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 22, 2023 16:19:19 GMT
Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" We are not at war. A technicality surely. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 16:24:37 GMT
Whatever the UK does you kick off about the usual HR bollocks Zany. What has the UK done? All I've answered is crappy suggestions from a bunch of rightwingers on a forum. I don't see the link. I support membership of the Eu. I don't want fraudsters pretending to be asylum seekers, but I don't want genuine asylum seekers locked up for life. What the Eu has to do with that I don't know. Well thats strange as everyone else does.
And I have never ever condemened those who come here and are genuily fleeing for there lives.
It's the bloody EUSSR who usher these illegals through their member states to thrust this unwanted influx upon the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 16:27:08 GMT
Fences are still technically legal in some parts of the UK Razor wire is not legal in public places like beaches. You would be liable for any injury caused by it. Who said it had to be on the beaches? |
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