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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 16:28:48 GMT
Razor wire is not legal in public places like beaches. You would be liable for any injury caused by it. Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" If razor wire had been invented during WW1 it would have extended the war for possibly anothjer 10 years. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 16:30:46 GMT
Why the sudden specificity? If the UK government / Crown wants to put fences of any sort on a beach, it is legal for it to do so. Can you imagine this sort of conversation taking place in the forties? "we aren't allowed to prevent the Germans invading, it's illegal" We are not at war. And neither are those who invade our shores illegally. I haven't heard that France is at war with anyone. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 16:32:04 GMT
 Beautiful British beach. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 16:36:55 GMT
You started by saying "It's a lot better than many UK citizens endure.". Maybe but that's not the refugees fault. So theirs no connection as our poverty is due to our own systems There is a connection because you are demanding money from them to feed your personal hobby horse. In a very real sense, you are their abuser. You have a fixation and they have to cough up (in varied ways) to make you happy. This is why their situation is relevant to the conversation - it demonstrates how high-handed you are. Or garden, or town, city, country? Indeed. The charity is offered on condition that only the charity is taken. This would be perfectly adequate for, and welcomed by, genuine refugees, but is politically unacceptable for you because it doesn't abuse the UK public enough. Literally my suggestion. Saying something is deluded because you cannot understand what's said. Is a little insecure, don't you think. If they refuse to answer questions to help identify them they would lose their refugee/asylum status and be locked up or deported. My point was missed, apparently. They don't have to hang around and wait for this because you insist you have full access Btw - has it occured to you that you are insisting on granting full accees, as an act of charity, to something doesn't belong to you? Would you be prepared to put it to a referendum? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 22, 2023 16:38:57 GMT
Beautiful British beach. At least you offer a proper argument here. We are five years or more from such decisions being real. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 22, 2023 17:08:10 GMT
If we stayed in the EU we might already have razor wire stopping migrants entering..  |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 17:37:04 GMT
You started by saying "It's a lot better than many UK citizens endure.". Maybe but that's not the refugees fault. So theirs no connection as our poverty is due to our own systems No I'm not. Your calling for children to be beaten to death for your enjoyment. No you're the abuser, you want to give cocaine to old ladies |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 22, 2023 17:40:48 GMT
Don't be so stupid. Of course they could be locked up while they're being processed.
If they pass they get access if they don't they don't.
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2023 8:17:30 GMT
Don't be so stupid. Of course they could be locked up while they're being processed. If they pass they get access if they don't they don't. Okay- so we are substantially in agreement People who (for instance) row ashore without documentation should be detained in barracks style facilities while they try to recall who they really are. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2023 8:22:11 GMT
If we stayed in the EU we might already have razor wire stopping migrants entering.. I'm starting to wonder now if Dan's prediction may have some merit. It's certainly not impossible that Europe changes substantially over the next few years. Perhaps many of the people who were either for or against membership of the EU might end up swapping positions? I have nothing much against an EU of trading sovereign nations that are allowed to protect their people and cultures. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 23, 2023 9:34:13 GMT
Don't be so stupid. Of course they could be locked up while they're being processed. If they pass they get access if they don't they don't. Okay- so we are substantially in agreement People who (for instance) row ashore without documentation should be detained in barracks style facilities while they try to recall who they really are. Agreed. My only added condition is that if they help the authorities to identify themselves so their claims can be verified, that they are processed quickly and accepted. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2023 9:51:15 GMT
Okay- so we are substantially in agreement People who (for instance) row ashore without documentation should be detained in barracks style facilities while they try to recall who they really are. Agreed. My only added condition is that if they help the authorities to identify themselves so their claims can be verified, that they are processed quickly and accepted. accepted? They have entered the UK illegally from a safe country. Why would they be just 'accepted'? If you use this procedure to let everyone who arrives into the country anyway, you are back to square one. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 23, 2023 10:08:52 GMT
I assumed that Zany meant claims would be accepted if verified i.e. proven to be true.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 10:12:16 GMT
I suspect that there are several scores of million people in war zones and authoritarian countries that would qualify for asylum .
How many should we accept ?
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Post by Orac on Sept 23, 2023 10:16:14 GMT
I assumed that Zany meant claims would be accepted if verified i.e. proven to be true. The idea will only work if those who really shouldn't have made the journey end up with not much to show for it. It would be relatively simple to completely sabotage by 'accepting' people. |
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