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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 18:30:22 GMT
So it seems we have established that there is no difference anyone can think of (apart from a love of meatballs) between our children A and B.
But despite there being no difference, there is apparently a big difference if there a lot of As and Bs.
And then good old Dan, who argued so passionately earlier that his argument is not based on colour of skin now tells us that it is not really a problem if child As parents come from a country where most people have white skin but it’s terrible if the parents have brown or black skin. Laughable.
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Post by Orac on Nov 7, 2022 18:34:46 GMT
So it seems we have established that there is no difference anyone can think of (apart from a love of meatballs) between our children A and B. Don't be silly. We established that there would almost certainly be a difference. Specificity isn't important to the point - all that is needed is a countering of your contention that they must be the same. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 7, 2022 18:38:26 GMT
You avoided the question, Sandy. The one piece of substance in your post is your claim that a child born in Melbourne and (presumably) raised and educated there to parents born in Birmingham is more likely to be at home returning to live in Milton Keynes than a child born, raised and educated in Birmingham to parents born in Melbourne. What utter tosh. Well you have produced a precis of what I wrote that is incorrect so I can only assume your 'utter tosh; comment is based on what you think I said not on what I actually did say |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2022 18:56:49 GMT
So it seems we have established that there is no difference anyone can think of (apart from a love of meatballs) between our children A and B. But despite there being no difference, there is apparently a big difference if there a lot of As and Bs. And then good old Dan, who argued so passionately earlier that his argument is not based on colour of skin now tells us that it is not really a problem if child As parents come from a country where most people have white skin but it’s terrible if the parents have brown or black skin. Laughable. It's a question of degree dappy, and aggregate effects, things that your two-cell mono-variable spreadsheet approach can't accommodate. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 7, 2022 18:57:17 GMT
In what way in your view would the British born, raised and educated child with Polish born parents (child A)be different as say a 25 year old than a similarly British born raised and educated child with British born parents (child B) (all other things eg income and parental education being similar). Indeed why would child A bring "major problems" at that age? The same sort of difference as a child born to ethnic English parents in India and a child born to ethnic Indian parents in England. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 18:59:56 GMT
I’ll never deliberately misrepresent Sandy. Frankly I don’t think I need too. I have reread your initial post and I can’t see how it materially differs from what I wrote. Could you explain what I am missing?
Mags, with respect I think you need to learn that empty inanities are not obscured by using long words.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 7, 2022 19:22:16 GMT
So it seems we have established that there is no difference anyone can think of (apart from a love of meatballs) between our children A and B. But despite there being no difference, there is apparently a big difference if there a lot of As and Bs. And then good old Dan, who argued so passionately earlier that his argument is not based on colour of skin now tells us that it is not really a problem if child As parents come from a country where most people have white skin but it’s terrible if the parents have brown or black skin. Laughable. Love of meatballs is just an example of the differences between cultures but you wouldn't recognise that, so incensed are you about proving how wrong you are on just about everything. Now here's a link that you are likely to say "So what?" or maybe, "That's something which occurs in our own British population" and you may say those things without recognising. www.aol.co.uk/labour-mps-raise-concerns-over-182708808.htmlI have some affinity with many East European people, particularly the Poles who flew from numerous bases in Lincolnshire and have numerous memorials to their dead, including the cemetery at Scampton from where the Red Arrows flew; not far from me is another and all being well I will attend the ceremony shortly being held there. None of that hides the fact there are some serious undesirables among them and it maybe that you don't have the same situation in Devon that we have in Lincolnshire, that you don't recognise the differences in way of life and cultures of the various people wit white skin. Perhaps you should find a band of Romas and watch some of them as they deplete the stock in a supermarket without any intention of paying. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 7, 2022 19:27:21 GMT
I’ll never deliberately misrepresent Sandy. Frankly I don’t think I need too. I have reread your initial post and I can’t see how it materially differs from what I wrote. Could you explain what I am missing? Mags, with respect I think you need to learn that empty inanities are not obscured by using long words. I do not think I used or implied a deliberate misunderstanding. I said "A child born in Melbourne to ethnic Brits can be much more at home in the UK than a child born in Birmingham but to an ethnic minority. The precis you used your claim that a child born in Melbourne and (presumably) raised and educated there to parents born in Birmingham is more likely to be at home returning to live in Milton Keynes than a child born, raised and educated in Birmingham to parents born in Melbourne. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 19:36:04 GMT
No Sandy you suggested that I had misinterpreted your post and I said I’d never do that on purpose. I don’t need to.
Sorry I am struggling to see a material difference between your post and mine. Sometimes we end up seeing what we expect to. Could you point out where you feel I have got it wrong?
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Post by sandypine on Nov 7, 2022 19:55:00 GMT
No Sandy you suggested that I had misinterpreted your post and I said I’d never do that on purpose. I don’t need to. Sorry I am struggling to see a material difference between your post and mine. Sometimes we end up seeing what we expect to. Could you point out where you feel I have got it wrong? The ethnicity and culture of the parents and I did not say where the parents were born, I was referring to their ethnicity. It is a very important point as ethnicity and culture are important to many. Which is why I referred also to English parents giving birth to a child in India. The British were in India for 300 years yet to themselves, and to the Indians, they were always the British in India. Sometimes up to ten generations. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 20:49:00 GMT
With respect Sandy that makes your point even more tosh. I took it that you were claiming that a child born and raised in Melbourne to parents from Birmingham would be more likely to feel at home later in life in say Milton Keynes than a child born and raised in Birmingham to parents born in Melbourne. That was nonsense.
It seems though you meant that a child born and raised in Melbourne whose great grandparents were born in Birmingham would be more likely to feel at home later in life in Milton Keynes than a child born and raised in Birmingham whose great grandparents were born in Melbourne. Complete nonsense.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 7, 2022 21:27:21 GMT
With respect Sandy that makes your point even more tosh. I took it that you were claiming that a child born and raised in Melbourne to parents from Birmingham would be more likely to feel at home later in life in say Milton Keynes than a child born and raised in Birmingham to parents born in Melbourne. That was nonsense. It seems though you meant that a child born and raised in Melbourne whose great grandparents were born in Birmingham would be more likely to feel at home later in life in Milton Keynes than a child born and raised in Birmingham whose great grandparents were born in Melbourne. Complete nonsense. I did not think I would have to spell out what I said in simple terms. Ethnicity and culture are the important points, Why do you keep body swerving those important points and swaying it to where people are born. Nothing to do with where grandparents were born it is the culture and ethnicity they are born into that is the critical factor. So I repeat a child born to English ethnicity parents in Indian is not ethnically Indian either in the eyes of the English nor in the eyes of the Indians. Just as an Indian ethnicity child born in England is not ethnically English either in the eyes of the ethnic English nor in the eyes of the ethnic Indians in England. Nor I hasten to add in the eyes of the law since the race laws came into being. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 21:46:06 GMT
Surely ethnicity is no more no less a measure of where some past generation was born.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 7, 2022 21:48:05 GMT
Surely ethnicity is no more no less a measure of where some past generation was born. You are still totally failing to understand. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 7, 2022 22:06:27 GMT
Is ethnicity not simply where past family generations were born?
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