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Post by patman post on Sept 15, 2023 13:07:23 GMT
Great idea — provided other taxpayers can opt out of funding treatment caused by self harm. You could take this principle further and allow people to opt out of paying for health services entirely. It was rumoured that some health authorities restricted treatment given to those who eat, drink alcohol, or smoke excessively. It turned out such self-harming patients were weaned off their indulgences until treatment could benefit them.
As a taxpayer, I see that as an acceptable half-way house...
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Post by Orac on Sept 15, 2023 13:10:27 GMT
You could take this principle further and allow people to opt out of paying for health services entirely. It was rumoured that some health authorities restricted treatment given to those who eat, drink alcohol, or smoke excessively. It turned out such self-harming patients were weaned off their indulgences until treatment could benefit them.
As a taxpayer, I see that as an acceptable half-way house...
Potentially you have an unfair situation. People who want to live unhealthily, and are prepared to shoulder the cost to do so, find they have to pay for a service that is refused to them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 15, 2023 13:25:10 GMT
You could take this principle further and allow people to opt out of paying for health services entirely. It was rumoured that some health authorities restricted treatment given to those who eat, drink alcohol, or smoke excessively. It turned out such self-harming patients were weaned off their indulgences until treatment could benefit them.
As a taxpayer, I see that as an acceptable half-way house...
People who eat takeaways are paying 20% VAT, so the more they eat the more VAT they pay, I would say they are already contributing to the government towards the NHS, the same can be said for most things we purchase, we pay taxes on them, and those taxes enable the government to fund the NHS, apart from NI contributions. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 15, 2023 13:26:09 GMT
It was rumoured that some health authorities restricted treatment given to those who eat, drink alcohol, or smoke excessively. It turned out such self-harming patients were weaned off their indulgences until treatment could benefit them.
As a taxpayer, I see that as an acceptable half-way house...
Potentially you have an unfair situation. People who want to live unhealthily, and are prepared to shoulder the cost to do so, find they have to pay for a service that is refused to them. But as they're cluttering up services for more responsible people, I've no problem with that. It is, after all, as you point out, their choice... |
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Post by Orac on Sept 15, 2023 13:27:29 GMT
Potentially you have an unfair situation. People who want to live unhealthily, and are prepared to shoulder the cost to do so, find they have to pay for a service that is refused to them. But as they're cluttering up services for more responsible people, I've no problem with that. It is, after all, as you point out, their choice... In what way would they be cluttering services if they didn't pay and didn't receive the service? I think if you are going to exclude someone from receiving a service, you should also exclude them from paying for it |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2023 13:31:23 GMT
Well at least Blair isn’t selling the idea that fat people can’t help being fat .
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 15, 2023 13:34:37 GMT
If Blair or his family had shares in the fast food industry he'd be promoting fast food .... eat till you burst.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 15, 2023 13:41:46 GMT
If Blair or his family had shares in the fast food industry he'd be promoting fast food .... eat till you burst. Maybe but the point stands . If the government ever does impose a tax on junk food it will be an acknowledgment that calorie intake is the major cause of obesity . Sounds obvious but some fat people use every excuse to avoid this truth and others pretend to be victims . Some even insist that pointing out that obesity is mostly from shoving too much and/ or the wrong food in your mouth is fat phobic and bigoted. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 15, 2023 13:49:32 GMT
If Blair or his family had shares in the fast food industry he'd be promoting fast food .... eat till you burst. Maybe but the point stands . If the government ever does impose a tax on junk food it will be an acknowledgment that calorie intake is the major cause of obesity . Sounds obvious but some fat people use every excuse to avoid this truth and others pretend to be victims . Some even insist that pointing out that obesity is mostly from shoving too much and/ or the wrong food in your mouth is fat phobic and bigoted. you are a product of what you eat, so when obese people tell you ' I hardly eat anything' I'm just big boned, or my metabolism out of zinc, we know most of the time it's a lie, of course people on certain medications and illnesses do have such problems, it would probably cost the NHS far more money trying to psychoanalyze the reasons they scoff their faces off than it would cost the NHS to treat them. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 15, 2023 14:25:36 GMT
It was rumoured that some health authorities restricted treatment given to those who eat, drink alcohol, or smoke excessively. It turned out such self-harming patients were weaned off their indulgences until treatment could benefit them.
As a taxpayer, I see that as an acceptable half-way house...
People who eat takeaways are paying 20% VAT, so the more they eat the more VAT they pay, I would say they are already contributing to the government towards the NHS, the same can be said for most things we purchase, we pay taxes on them, and those taxes enable the government to fund the NHS, apart from NI contributions. A good reason for medical administrators to ensure expenditure on treatment is directed to where it's likely to be most effective.
If those NHS patients who are self-harming by over-consumption of any food and drink can be encouraged to manage their intake to healthy levels until they are ready for when treatment would be effective, isn't that better for us all...? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 15, 2023 14:35:54 GMT
It is physically impossible to put on weight without eating the calories needed to put on weight.*
Anyone who can do this needs to contact James Randi or the Vatican to register a miracle.
*drinking 10 kg of water excluded
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 15, 2023 17:09:06 GMT
yeah. Drop the sugar content and replace it with liver killing artificial sweetners. Bloody brilliant idea that Even then, there’s little any authority can do to ensure addictive personalities don’t massively overdose… Ok remember this was well inside my post grad research … Aspartame in particular works by mimicking the molecular structure of sugars. But it does it so well it licks on to enzymes that metabolise sugars and wont let go. Same as carbon monoxide in the blood As a result of this known problem yank cola bottles had a warning not to consume too much lest you have liver problems. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 15, 2023 17:26:51 GMT
So it temporarily reduces your ability to metabolise sugar?
that sounds quite serious.
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