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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 13:39:46 GMT
There were people living on the streets when Blair had done his first term. Poverty was there when Labour were in. Debt was soaring when Labour were in. The Army was shrinking when Labour were in. There was no border control and there was EU free movement of criminals. There was high anti social behaviour. The NHS was always underfunded and Labour persisted with PFI for too long. Taxes soared. We had membership of the shitty EU and falling levels of trade with it and high industrial decline. Schools were crumbling, nothing was done about the aerated reinforced concrete problem then, despite it being known about. There was just about everything you complain about under a Labour government, so what do you think Labour will do differently? Labour have not learned where they went wrong last time. Brexit is a success, we sell more £££ to the EU now than we did before the referendum. There are now more people living on the streets. Poverty is worse. Debt skyrocketed under the Tories from less that a billion to 3,5 billion. Border control was done in cooperation with the EU, which saved us money. Anti-social behaviour is higher now. The NHS is now in crisis and in danger of collapse not to mention the buildings. Yes taxes soared under the Tories. You have no evidence whatsoever of falling trade with the EU, it fell when we left. Labour knew about ROCC and had a plan the Tories ditched it. There was just abut everything I stated in my post but the Tories have made it worse. We are selling less now to the EU and paying more to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 13:40:29 GMT
It would be if it had anything to do with cake but you know that and are to daft to admit it. The presence of cake was a central fact. Dreamer. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 8, 2023 14:00:36 GMT
It is an essential .......How else do labour supporters not smell the stench..
Partygate inquisitor Harriet Harman throws her hat into the ring to become Parliament's sleaze commissioner... Perhaps she should have Sue Gray as her assistant. I asked the question over the nose peg mate to see if it was a one size fits all, as we all know labour supporters have many faces to choose from. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 14:47:43 GMT
There were people living on the streets when Blair had done his first term. Poverty was there when Labour were in. Debt was soaring when Labour were in. The Army was shrinking when Labour were in. There was no border control and there was EU free movement of criminals. There was high anti social behaviour. The NHS was always underfunded and Labour persisted with PFI for too long. Taxes soared. We had membership of the shitty EU and falling levels of trade with it and high industrial decline. Schools were crumbling, nothing was done about the aerated reinforced concrete problem then, despite it being known about. There was just about everything you complain about under a Labour government, so what do you think Labour will do differently? Labour have not learned where they went wrong last time. Brexit is a success, we sell more £££ to the EU now than we did before the referendum. There are now more people living on the streets. Poverty is worse. Debt skyrocketed under the Tories from less that a billion to 3,5 billion. Border control was done in cooperation with the EU, which saved us money. Anti-social behaviour is higher now. The NHS is now in crisis and in danger of collapse not to mention the buildings. Yes taxes soared under the Tories. You have no evidence whatsoever of falling trade with the EU, it fell when we left. Labour knew about ROCC and had a plan the Tories ditched it. There was just abut everything I stated in my post but the Tories have made it worse. We are selling less now to the EU and paying more to do so. Matters were getting worse anyway:  Look what happened to the cost of housing? The more money from your wage goes on your roof, the less money you have left for food, car, holidays, and any sort of luxuries. Things were already that shit that the first Foodbank opened in 2000. www.trusselltrust.org/about/our-story/Criticise the Tories by all means but don't lie to me and sugarcoat history, Labour were fucking SHIT. And they've learned NOTHING. Our exports to the EU are worth far more and we are paying less to do so. Look at the value of our trade with it. Compare 2015 and 2022 and put 2015 into the Bank of England inflation calculator. £223.3 billion then, £340 billion in 2022. www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculatorYour arguments are born of ideology. I don't like the Tories or Labour. Look at things objectively rather than tribally. Labour need to get their act together if they wish to govern and they've learned nothing from past mistakes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 16:28:24 GMT
It is now almost 2 years since any opinion poll showed the Tories in front, the fact is that more people intend to vote Labour than Tory.
Are posters inferring that the British public are stupid, or not intelligent enough to choose ?
Everywhere you look, in every aspect of life, society or our economy, everything is worse than it was 13 years ago.
Whether it be our standard of living, public services, the NHS, poverty, homelesness, even our life expectancy has gone down. We have had a succession of incompetent Tory Prime Ministers, the worst been Liz Truss.
People are tired and fed up of the Tories, 13 years on no one is any better off, neither is our country, people want change, and for very good reason.
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Post by see2 on Sept 8, 2023 16:29:55 GMT
There are now more people living on the streets. Poverty is worse. Debt skyrocketed under the Tories from less that a billion to 3,5 billion. Border control was done in cooperation with the EU, which saved us money. Anti-social behaviour is higher now. The NHS is now in crisis and in danger of collapse not to mention the buildings. Yes taxes soared under the Tories. You have no evidence whatsoever of falling trade with the EU, it fell when we left. Labour knew about ROCC and had a plan the Tories ditched it. There was just abut everything I stated in my post but the Tories have made it worse. We are selling less now to the EU and paying more to do so. Matters were getting worse anyway: Look what happened to the cost of housing? The more money from your wage goes on your roof, the less money you have left for food, car, holidays, and any sort of luxuries. Things were already that shit that the first Foodbank opened in 2000. www.trusselltrust.org/about/our-story/Criticise the Tories by all means but don't lie to me and sugarcoat history, Labour were fucking SHIT. And they've learned NOTHING. Our exports to the EU are worth far more and we are paying less to do so. Look at the value of our trade with it. Compare 2015 and 2022 and put 2015 into the Bank of England inflation calculator. £223.3 billion then, £340 billion in 2022. www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculatorYour arguments are born of ideology. I don't like the Tories or Labour. Look at things objectively rather than tribally. Labour need to get their act together if they wish to govern and they've learned nothing from past mistakes. The price increase in housing reflected the higher income and optimism under an expanding economy along with a more reliable inflation rate thanks to Brown's ending of the deliberate Boom and Bust economies of previous governments. Its noticeable that the crash came at the time of the Northern Rock problem which was at the beginning of the problems caused by the International Financial Meltdown (IFM) You need to get your facts corrected. IMO, your arguments are born of pure political extremism. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 8, 2023 16:41:55 GMT
It would be if it had anything to do with cake but you know that and are to daft to admit it. The presence of cake was a central fact. To what? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 8, 2023 16:44:31 GMT
The presence of cake was a central fact. To what? To the alleged breach of lockdown.
Party+cake = Partygate
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 17:14:44 GMT
No See2, house prices soared because all other investment paths had been fucked up by Labour, including the Tax Exempt Special Savings Account and Personal Equity Plans which Gordon Brown abolished and replaced with shitty ISA's which had a far lower limit on them.
With no other savings options left, those with money bought housing as investments, including Tony Blair himself who became a multi millionaire through investing in the booming housing market. His property portfolio became massive while a cost of living crisis started and got worse.
Even by 2001 he'd lost millions of voters through fucking us all over.
And Labour haven't learned anything from their mistakes, you haven't either, you hadn't a clue. You parrot their lies.
Btw Ken Clarke caused economic stability not gormless Gordon Brown.
Gordon Brown returned us to boom and bust.
He mismanaged the economy, didn't regulate banking and everything went to shit.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2023 17:31:46 GMT
It's ok to not like the Tories, but let us be objective. Labour are fucking shit, aren't they? There's a reason we booted them out in 2010, and they still haven't worked out why. Since 2010 this country has gone to the dogs. wonder why?   |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 17:38:14 GMT
I'll say it again, it's ok to not like the Tories, but do not pretend that the New Labour era was some sort of wonderful time, it really wasn't.
Hence the question about clothes pegs.
Vote however you like, just don't pretend they're any good.
They're all shit.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 8, 2023 18:01:08 GMT
To the alleged breach of lockdown.
Party+cake = Partygate
Did Boris resign because of Partygate? 🤔 |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 18:03:26 GMT
No, he resigned because of the Chris Pincher fiasco.
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Post by vlk on Sept 8, 2023 19:05:39 GMT
I'll say it again, it's ok to not like the Tories, but do not pretend that the New Labour era was some sort of wonderful time, it really wasn't. Hence the question about clothes pegs. Vote however you like, just don't pretend they're any good. They're all shit. I wonder can anybody of you claim to have noticed any difference in your own lives whether the Tories or Labour has been in power. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 8, 2023 22:32:21 GMT
No, he resigned because of the Chris Pincher fiasco. Quite. Good man Vinny. At least someone has been paying attention. |
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