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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 7, 2023 21:47:12 GMT
Grow up you tit. Are you saying he was not court martialled? If so lets see your evidence... Your own posts above and my searches on google that match and the fact that not one media have referred to him as being convicted You just blurted out any old shite that came into your brain and now you're upset you couldn't even remotely back it. You don't understand how it works. Why should you. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 7, 2023 21:48:15 GMT
Haven’t heard the interviews. Obviously we don’t know what happened. It is true that most prisons are woefully understaffed which is the responsibility of the government. Whether that is related to this incident we don’t yet no.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 7, 2023 22:07:36 GMT
Haven’t heard the interviews. Obviously we don’t know what happened. It is true that most prisons are woefully understaffed which is the responsibility of the government. Whether that is related to this incident we don’t yet no. Dappy trust me, protocols systems and rules are in place that ensure vehicles entering and leaving a prison are searched. If those protocols systems and rules were not followed, it is not the prime ministers fault, and believe me I'm no fan of Sunak. The fault quite obviously lies with the prison officers on duty and possibly their supervisor. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 7, 2023 22:12:15 GMT
Your own posts above and my searches on google that match and the fact that not one media have referred to him as being convicted You just blurted out any old shite that came into your brain and now you're upset you couldn't even remotely back it. You don't understand how it works. Why should you. No I don't understand how your brain works, frankly the real question is whether it does work You do know all court martials lists are put on the web for you to browse don't you? Seems not. Off you go www.gov.uk/government/publications/military-court-centres-court-listings#full-publication-update-history |
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Post by dappy on Sept 7, 2023 22:13:10 GMT
Trouble with UK prisons in general (not applying to Khalife due to his alleged crimes) is that public opinion driven by tabloids demands far too many people get sent to prison. However there are no votes in spending public finances on prisons so there is insufficient cash. This means there is little or no effort to rehabilitate prisoners who often simply spend 23 hours a day locked up in cells. As a result our reoffending rates are very high. Which means more people are sent back to jail but we still don’t want to fund jails and the whole cycle begins again. Also means there are I suffice to staff of sufficient experience to guard the people who should be there.
Prisons have never recovered from failing graylings time as responsible minister. Gove took over and was working on some really promising reforms but got fired when May took over from Cameron and replaced by the hapless Truss who did feck all.
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Post by dappy on Sept 7, 2023 22:19:37 GMT
Haven’t heard the interviews. Obviously we don’t know what happened. It is true that most prisons are woefully understaffed which is the responsibility of the government. Whether that is related to this incident we don’t yet no. Dappy trust me, protocols systems and rules are in place that ensure vehicles entering and leaving a prison are searched. If those protocols systems and rules were not followed, it is not the prime ministers fault, and believe me I'm no fan of Sunak. The fault quite obviously lies with the prison officers on duty and possibly their supervisor. It is though Government responsibility if the prison is so massively overcrowded and staffing woefully short that corners inevitably have to be cut. We don’t know if it played a part in this guys escape but we do know too many prisoners too few prison officers is a well known feature of Wandsworth. That’s government choice. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 7, 2023 22:32:27 GMT
Dappy trust me, protocols systems and rules are in place that ensure vehicles entering and leaving a prison are searched. If those protocols systems and rules were not followed, it is not the prime ministers fault, and believe me I'm no fan of Sunak. The fault quite obviously lies with the prison officers on duty and possibly their supervisor. It is though Government responsibility if the prison is so massively overcrowded and staffing woefully short that corners inevitably have to be cut. We don’t know if it played a part in this guys escape but we do know too many prisoners too few prison officers is a well known feature of Wandsworth. That’s government choice. So you agree with Starmer, it's Sunak's fault. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 7, 2023 22:37:27 GMT
I don’t know what Starmer said so can’t really comment. Nor do I know what happened in this case.
The chronic under resourcing and hence understaffing of prisons is a direct consequence of Government policy and hence is ultimately Sunaks responsibility.
If that is found to have played a significant part in Khalife’s escape then Sunak will indeed be due his share of the blame.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 7, 2023 23:20:54 GMT
I don’t know what Starmer said so can’t really comment. Nor do I know what happened in this case. The chronic under resourcing and hence understaffing of prisons is a direct consequence of Government policy and hence is ultimately Sunaks responsibility. If that is found to have played a significant part in Khalife’s escape then Sunak will indeed be due his share of the blame. Dappy, you're a pillock. As a guard commander or orderly sergeant, if soldiers under my command had fucked up I would have been for the high jump if I had not ensured they all knew exactly what their duties were. Had I not adequately briefed soldiers under my command it wouldn't have been my CO's fault or the Brigade commanders fault or the prime ministers fault. It would have been my fault. And believe me we were usually under more pressure than any civvy could imagine. The reason Daniel Abed Khalife escaped from prison is because it's a cat B prison and protocols were sloppy. I say 'were sloppy' because you can bet they aint now. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 8, 2023 4:57:41 GMT
You have a sweet simplistic outlook on life. Who needs an investigation into what happened? Rackham from behind his keyboard already knows. Bless.
Meanwhile back in the real world there may well have been many elements and failings that contributed towards this incident. Why was he held in that jail, why in the kitchen, were there sufficient guards on duty that day to perform all the tasks required, were they allocated sensibly, was equipment working was one guard trying to do the work of three and corners were cut, had the guard(s) been told what to do, had a sloppy culture grown up, why. Who knows.
Some of those will be the responsibility of the guard on the day, some middle management, some the governor, some the government. We’ll find out in time.
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 8, 2023 7:01:53 GMT
It's pretty obvious what happened: He was put in the wrong category of prison, he was given a job in the kitcbens and somebody didn't check the underside of the van/truck that he used to get out.
None of these are anything to do with our prisons being overcrowded or not enough money being spent. It's just a case of either prison staff simply not doing their jobs properly or deliberately aiding his escape.
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Post by dappy on Sept 8, 2023 7:48:37 GMT
That is nonsense though.
Self evidently if a prison is double its capacity you need more staff.
If you don’t have enough staff , you have to compromise doing jobs properly.
If you are forced to cut corners, mistakes happen.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 8, 2023 11:19:06 GMT
First of all he was and is only a suspect not a convicted 'dangerous prisoner'. That is correct but given the offence he was suspected of it’s not unreasonable to so think he should be in a more secure prison pending trial. Some thing everybody including the so called responsible media do,only humorous thing in all this is I been in a few eating establishments where the staff have been disguised as a chef  He was assigned work in the Prison Kitchens hence wearing red and white checked trousers and white top, shades of Allo Allo it is I LeClair in a cunning disguise  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 8, 2023 12:54:36 GMT
That is nonsense though. Self evidently if a prison is double its capacity you need more staff. If you don’t have enough staff , you have to compromise doing jobs properly. If you are forced to cut corners, mistakes happen. Bollocks. It wasn't because they didn't have enough staff that this person was put in a category B prison rather than category A. That was just stupidity. And it wasn't a lack of staff that caused them not to check that a vehicle that has come into the prison leaves with no prisoner on board. That's either incompetence or deliberate. I'm sick of this lefty nonsense about not enough staff or not enough money. We get it about the police all the time. The police have plenty of time to investigate "non-crime hate incidents" and to dance with the homosexuals at Notting Hill. They just can't be bothered to actually do their job. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 8, 2023 13:05:20 GMT
So no court martial and the thread title and OP were prejudging. Not good after all the media have gone out of their way to call him a suspect so as not to give him a 'get out of trial because of prior publicity' option. You are missing the Elephant in the Room, It matter not if he was Court Marshalled or not he was discharged by the Army he is no longer a member of the Kings Armed Forces that is the least of this young mans problems , if you actually think about it logically why was he discharged? Fake bombs were placed about the Army Camp, the Military Police would have been called in to investigate as it was such a serios matter I suspect Military Intelligence may have been involved as well , another possibility is that MI5 may well have played a part as they are responsible for the nations security. Once the Army had finished with it stand to reason he was handed into the Custody of Anti Terrorist Unit along with all the information and evidence the Army had on him, as a matter of course he would have been interviewed by them, they have charged him and he was remanded in custody which is hardly surprising with the seriousness nature of the charges, the Court obviously considered him a flight risk, and has done just that. It is suspected that he may have been working for Iran a rouge state which if there is any substance to it MI6 may well be involved trying to confirm that if possible . It matters not if he had stolen a bottle of milk from a milk float and charge with theft he would be rightly called a suspect , but in his case he is charged with some of the most serious charges possible. He is a suspect any one charged with a criminal is a suspect and remains a suspect until they are put before a Court of Law and either acquitted which means they are no longer a suspect, or plead guilty or found guilty then they are no longer a suspect they are convicted of the offence or offences they were suspected of committing, its not rocket science. |
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