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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2023 13:43:36 GMT
THe idea that buildings which were built using RAAC could colapse at any time WAS NOT NOT TO THE BLAIR GOVERNMENT [ Stick to the truth ]
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2023 14:00:35 GMT
RAAC (Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated Concrete) Has been widely used since the 1950's. But hey, lets not bother with facts, lets blame the nasty Tories who want to kill our children. You utter pillock. It wasn't known to be an issue then. It very much has been since the Tories have been in power this time. And what did they do? Cut the building repair budget and refuse some schools any funds for know needed RAAC repairs. The pillocks you so love to point out are the ones wearing blue rosettes. LOL, pillock. |
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Sept 6, 2023 14:05:33 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 14:05:33 GMT
THe idea that buildings which were built using RAAC could colapse at any time WAS NOT NOT TO THE BLAIR GOVERNMENT [ Stick to the truth ] I have stuck to the truth. Blair knew the score on RAAC. We now are lumbered with buildings that were most expensive for UK taxpayers for return on investment but which are now mildly using the the description are no longer worth a wank.. for every PFI hospital labour built using PFI would have built 10 fully working hospitals along with them being fully equipped. |
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Sept 6, 2023 16:53:23 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 6, 2023 16:53:23 GMT
Lets be accurate about this Problems were known about RAAC for a long time before 2018, as in that RAAC was not a suitable building material, but it was not until 2018 that it was proven to be dangerous, in that it could give way, or cause buildings to colapse without warning. But worse ( for the government ) In 2021 the government released funds for the rebuilding of FOUR delapodated schools out of a planned 500 over ten years. I always believed that it would be the NHS which would see off the Tories, but in the end it looks like it will be a combination of crumbling public services, including schools falling apart and bankrupt councils and the NHS. From where I am sitting, this government has little chance of re-election THANK GOODNESS The downside of RAAC was known by Blair and his massively expensive PFI scenes but it still didn't stop the use of RAAC in his white elephants. Not only are these the most expensive buildings but will need either demolition or massive investments to keep the fucking things. A bargain not for the UK taxpayers. Errm, as already pointed out, use of RAAC was discontinued in the mid 90s. I would say that you made a mistake here, but as it has already been pointed out to you I'm actually going to call you a liar. educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2023/09/06/new-guidance-on-raac-in-education-settings/ |
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Post by ratcliff on Sept 6, 2023 17:13:11 GMT
Rubbish it was known during Blair’s term Link please showing it was a known risk of collapse during his term. From the Guardian (which is gospel according to lefties ) and Blair's government is well within this expert's timeline www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/01/how-long-has-raac-in-schools-been-a-concern-and-what-happens-now>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff Wilkinson, a senior building inspector, said: “The risk has been known about for decades. There should have been an ongoing maintenance plan for these buildings to be upgraded and replaced over the last 40 years. They are all past their serviceable lifetime. It’s shocking to discover that the maintenance plan wasn’t in place and there hadn’t been a programme of demolitions.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
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Sept 6, 2023 17:29:34 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 6, 2023 17:29:34 GMT
If the Tories had even thought about it, what wonderful propaganda they could have had to use against Labour.
But they didnt.
Because they were too busy selling dreams and playong power games instead of properly governing.
It is the same kind of issue that suddenly needed to be dealt with as the lack of PPE due to no one checking on stocks.
Utter lack of attention to the real job of protecting the people of the country.
Instead Ministers enjoy the kudos and career building and never take responsibility or blame for cock-ups.
Instead the electorate laughs and says " well he doesnt do detail but he IS funny".
The idea that the UK can govern itself is as plausible as putting an arsonist in charge of an insurance company.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 17:36:10 GMT
The downside of RAAC was known by Blair and his massively expensive PFI scenes but it still didn't stop the use of RAAC in his white elephants. Not only are these the most expensive buildings but will need either demolition or massive investments to keep the fucking things. A bargain not for the UK taxpayers. Errm, as already pointed out, use of RAAC was discontinued in the mid 90s. I would say that you made a mistake here, but as it has already been pointed out to you I'm actually going to call you a liar. educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2023/09/06/new-guidance-on-raac-in-education-settings/It ws still being used up to 1999. Sorry to burst your bubble. Why are you so concerned as you stated you DO NOT SUUPORT LABOUR? LOL LOL LOL |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 6, 2023 17:43:09 GMT
Then you cannot read,why was it’s use stopped and if it’s life span deemed 30 years what was expected that it respectfully ask for retirement and pension perhaps a place in the HoL where so many of the useless and long past their sell by date reside. . . . Oh I can certainly read, did you actually read that 1999 report? RAAC use was stopped after that 1999 report but that did not mean all buildings with it were in danger of imminent collapse. It said very much the opposite:
'Owners of both school and non-school buildings
that have pre - 1980 RAAC plank roofs should
arrange for these roofs to be inspected if this has
not been done since 1994, although generally the
deterioration of RAAC planks does not
jeopardise structural safety'
And as Pacifico's post shows some schools were identified as needing repair and it was the Tories not Blair that refused those repairsThat’s not what civil engineers were saying,I get the feeling you just want to be right rather than accept any nuance in arguments. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 6, 2023 18:04:47 GMT
I may be 30 years out of date but any construction is required to have a quality assurance system in place, detailed records of testing and inspection and detailed records of what was actually constructed. There was a time whereby independent testing and inspection companies were employed by Local authorities and government departments, with the advent of QA this was transferred to the Contractor as his responsibility. Since about 2000 most construction has been carried out to EU standards, so they must be sound, yes? Your point may have validity if there is a problem with buildings less than 23 years old. Otherwise someone legally responsible didnt do their job. Or someone shoved the reports to the bottom of the intray. Before EU standards there were British Standards and mnay EU standards were derived from British Standards. QA has been in existence in Construction as far as I am aware since the late 80s. There was overkill in some situations before that as I can recall checking the torque on some fixing bolts and there were seven people involved all representing different parties from owners to subcontractors and district surveyors. |
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Sept 6, 2023 18:50:15 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 6, 2023 18:50:15 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 19:28:01 GMT
Nope...it went onto nearly the new century.. And no I am not ileterate and my mathmatical dexterity can surpass 4 digit numbers. |
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Sept 6, 2023 19:44:52 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 6, 2023 19:44:52 GMT
That post even contradicts your previous post. 🤥
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 19:53:11 GMT
That post even contradicts your previous post. 🤥 No it doesent. For someone who is supposedly not a labour supporter you are the first to jump in with your defence of blair. Care to explain |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 6, 2023 19:54:38 GMT
THe idea that buildings which were built using RAAC could colapse at any time WAS NOT NOT TO THE BLAIR GOVERNMENT [ Stick to the truth ] I am sticking to the truth. Is it my fault your version of the truth has no place on this planet? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 6, 2023 21:45:30 GMT
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