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Post by dappy on Sept 2, 2023 18:03:32 GMT
Let’s make the assumption that Labour do win the next election and that Sunak then resigns. Seems inevitable that Tories will then have a bit of a civil war to determine whether they want to be somewhere around traditional “one nation” or go fully “populist UKIP.
Looks like they may well lose quite a few seats and hence some high profile names. The field of potential leaders already looks pretty bare. Hard to see a credible leader there - James Cleverly maybe?
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 2, 2023 21:26:37 GMT
Nigel Farage..
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 21:34:48 GMT
Let’s make the assumption that Labour do win the next election and that Sunak then resigns. Seems inevitable that Tories will then have a bit of a civil war to determine whether they want to be somewhere around traditional “one nation” or go fully “populist UKIP. Looks like they may well lose quite a few seats and hence some high profile names. The field of potential leaders already looks pretty bare. Hard to see a credible leader there - James Cleverly maybe? He's in the frame and nobody's fool. The bookies have these as the front runners (in a race that's not officially started) Kemi Badenoch Penny Mordaunt James Cleverly Suella Braverman Boris Johnson Jeremy Hunt I'd add Grant Shapps to that list and hope Mordaunt gets it |
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Post by om15 on Sept 3, 2023 9:06:04 GMT
I would like to see Lord Frost enter the Commons, he writes interesting and incisive articles and comes across in interviews very well.
Kemi Badenoch, Penny Mordaunt, James Cleverly, Suella Braverman, Boris Johnson, Jeremy Hunt would all leave the Tory Party adrift and unelectable. They have all had their input and look where we are with it all, there would just be more excuses for immigration control and the NHS.
We need a leader not a politician, someone who will take on the ECHR over our Rwanda policy, dismantle the NHS and privatise health care and sort out the Civil Service, unfortunately there doesn't appear to be anyone in sight that is able to do that.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 3, 2023 9:20:23 GMT
I hope, for the future of the party and indeed the country, that the the next Tory leader whoever he or she may be, is a proper centre right Conservative.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 13:15:24 GMT
I hope, for the future of the party and indeed the country, that the the next Tory leader whoever he or she may be, is a proper centre right Conservative. That leaves you with Mordaunt, Cleverly and Shapps |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 3, 2023 13:45:17 GMT
If the Tories lose the next election badly then it doesn’t matter one jot who leads the party .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 3, 2023 19:25:10 GMT
Yep, as I said months ago: Make Farage leader. For the win.
Oh yeah, and kick out the EUPhile wets.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 3, 2023 21:24:28 GMT
I have no idea who will be the next Tory leader - the only thing I hope is, that for a change, it is a conservative.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 4, 2023 7:25:59 GMT
If the Tories lose the next election badly then it doesn’t matter one jot who leads the party . Au contraire, if the Tories lose the next election there will be a period of infighting before they finally accept the truth which is - there isn't room for two centrist parties, the Tories must move back to the centre right and regain the trust of Conservative voters. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 4, 2023 9:03:27 GMT
Not really interested in terminology Red. I assume by "centre right" you are broadly referring to the Truss/ "populist" agenda broadly the same space as that currently occupied by Reform and UKIP and the others. What makes you think that that would be popular with say 45% of the electorate and who do you think could lead the party and present such an agenda?
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 4, 2023 9:41:01 GMT
Not really interested in terminology Red. I assume by "centre right" you are broadly referring to the Truss/ "populist" agenda broadly the same space as that currently occupied by Reform and UKIP and the others. What makes you think that that would be popular with say 45% of the electorate and who do you think could lead the party and present such an agenda? The Conservatives are the most successeful party in British political history not because they are centrist but because they are, or were, traditionally a very successful centre right party. In recent years however, the Tories have drifted to the centre, perhaps the rot started in 2010. Personally I think Starmer moving Labour to the centre is a clever move because there is no dividing line between Labour and the Tories. At the election voters will look at Starmer and Sunak and ask, what's the difference? This will either turn voters off, or benefit Starmer. It will certainly not benefit centrist Sunak which brings me back to my origional point. The Conservatives must rid themselves of centrists and globalists and with a sense of urgency move the party back to the traditional centre right. The alternative is electoral oblivion. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 4, 2023 10:15:33 GMT
Not really interested in terminology Red. I assume by "centre right" you are broadly referring to the Truss/ "populist" agenda broadly the same space as that currently occupied by Reform and UKIP and the others. What makes you think that that would be popular with say 45% of the electorate and who do you think could lead the party and present such an agenda? Populist is just a label denoting a current relationship with institutions. Most of the left seemed intrinsically populist until they hijacked the institutions. The important thing is the position. Reform occupies political space recently vacated by the Conservatives. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 4, 2023 10:18:47 GMT
Your historical analysis isn't correct. The Tories are indeed a very successful political party largely because for most of their history they have been driven by pragmatism and not ideology. The traditional Tory viewpoint is very much the "one nation" view.
That doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't now switch to a more ideological populist/UKIP/Truss position. But my question still stands. What makes you think that that would be popular with say 45% of the electorate and who do you think could lead the party and present such an agenda?
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Post by Orac on Sept 4, 2023 10:25:39 GMT
That doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't now switch to a more ideological populist/UKIP/Truss position. Please stop being lazy here. The various policy positions themselves aren't populist. Populism is a stance re the establishment |
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