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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:27:01 GMT
Craig Murray: The Silence on Imran Khan
Pakistan has imposed a media blackout over the deposed prime minister and thousands of new political prisoners incarcerated in appalling conditions. Condemnation in the U.K. and U.S. has been non-existent.
Given the large population in the U.K. of Pakistani origin, the lack of serious media coverage of the overthrow and incarceration of Imran Khan, and the mass imprisonment of his supporters, is truly extraordinary.
Imran Khan was last week sentenced to three years in prison — and a five-year ban from politics — for alleged embezzlement of official gifts. This follows his removal as prime minister in a C.I.A.-engineered coup, and a vicious campaign of violence and imprisonment against Khan and his supporters.
In fact, it was Khan’s outspoken opposition to the United States using Pakistan as a base, and particularly his demand to stop the hundreds of dreadful U.S. drone strikes within Pakistan, that caused the surge in his support.
The Pakistani military went along with him. The reason is not hard to find. Given the level of hatred the U.S.A. had engendered through its drone killings, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the hideous torture excesses of the “War on terror,” it was temporarily not in the interests of the Pakistan military to foreground their deep relationship with the C.I.A. and U.S. military.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:35:57 GMT
The U.S. invasion and occupation of Syria that ‘never happened’
“It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them.”
Sadly, Harold Pinter’s Nobel Prize for Literature lecture continues to be as relevant today as when he gave it in 2005.
And nothing confirms the accuracy of the British playwright’s incisive words better than the ongoing U.S. intervention in Syria.
“Do you think the presence of the U.S. military in Syria is illegal?” Chinese reporter Edward Xu asked Faran Haq, deputy spokesperson for the U.N. secretary-general, during a March press conference.
Haq’s jaw-dropping reply? “There’s no U.S. armed forces inside of Syria… I believe there’s military activity. But, in terms of a ground presence in Syria, I’m not aware of that.”
Back in the real world, U.S. troops have been on the ground in Syria since 2015.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 12:57:57 GMT
Oh dear more tantrums Thomas doesn't seem to understand the difference between UN approved action and evil invasions to seize territory for some ethnic fascist empire. thank god we have you here steve to keep us all informed and on the straight and narrow. I dont think i have ever come across a more pointless forum member than you in my time posting on interwebby forums , with your throw empty one liners , perpetual sneering at other members , all because you have been in some never ending 7 year sulk you lost a referendum regarding brexit.
I only sneer at fake news and the sad people that post it. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 3, 2023 13:01:53 GMT
Plenty of criticisms can be levelled at past actions by the USA and by UK governments too.
But the past is the past.
At present the USA is doing the right thing with respect to aiding a victim of Russia's illegal attacks.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 13:44:12 GMT
thank god we have you here steve to keep us all informed and on the straight and narrow. I dont think i have ever come across a more pointless forum member than you in my time posting on interwebby forums , with your throw empty one liners , perpetual sneering at other members , all because you have been in some never ending 7 year sulk you lost a referendum regarding brexit.
I only sneer at fake news and the sad people that post it. you...the guy who ran around the old forum for years spreading fake news russian conspiracy theories about brexit , on how the russians had brainwashed alf garnett and his mates in england into voting brexit , as well as cheering on fake news journalists like carolle cadwalladr .....now trying to restyle yourself as a champion of truth and light?
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 13:45:50 GMT
Plenty of criticisms can be levelled at past actions by the USA and by UK governments too. But the past is the past. At present the USA is doing the right thing with respect to aiding a victim of Russia's illegal attacks. the united states is acting illegally here and now at present vinny. Hiding behind timescale doesnt wash out what the usa is doing when they are currently illegally occupying places like syria.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 3, 2023 13:58:49 GMT
Whatever the US does , it does it for the interests of influential US citizens , ditto everywhere else .
US has been the big dog since WW2 and has been kind enough to give its loyal lieutenants ( called allies)some scraps .
When the US is no longer the big dog it will be judged by the new big dog or dogs ….and we will look back at those times as golden years .
Personally I’m grateful for the hypocrisy of the west and wait with mild trepidation for the hypocrisy of the East .
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Post by sheepy on Sept 3, 2023 14:10:10 GMT
I only sneer at fake news and the sad people that post it. you...the guy who ran around the old forum for years spreading fake news russian conspiracy theories about brexit , on how the russians had brainwashed alf garnett and his mates in england into voting brexit , as well as cheering on fake news journalists like carolle cadwalladr .....now trying to restyle yourself as a champion of truth and light?
I wouldn't bother, Steve is so out of his depth it is rather laughable, not the sharpest cookie in the jar. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 3, 2023 14:16:03 GMT
I only sneer at fake news and the sad people that post it. you...the guy who ran around the old forum for years spreading fake news russian conspiracy theories about brexit , on how the russians had brainwashed alf garnett and his mates in england into voting brexit , as well as cheering on fake news journalists like carolle cadwalladr .....now trying to restyle yourself as a champion of truth and light?
How long did it take to find a gif with tartan wallpaper? Subliminal Scots Nat messaging going on here. I see what you are up to Braveheart... |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 14:21:00 GMT
you...the guy who ran around the old forum for years spreading fake news russian conspiracy theories about brexit , on how the russians had brainwashed alf garnett and his mates in england into voting brexit , as well as cheering on fake news journalists like carolle cadwalladr .....now trying to restyle yourself as a champion of truth and light?
How long did it take to find a gif with tartan wallpaper? Subliminal Scots Nat messaging going on here. I see what you are up to Braveheart...  |
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Post by Ripley on Sept 3, 2023 14:36:50 GMT
Could you maybe flesh out that comment about the UK being banned from fully Brexiting on American say so? Not sure how the US can ban Brexit. apologies ripley , im referring to biden and obamas interference in uk politics over brexit over a number of years.
We had obama putting pressure on the uk regarding brexit with his comments the uk would be at the back of any queue to do a trade deal. He also urged uk voters to stay in the EU. To specifically address your point though , biden and the american government have been clearly involved in making sure northern ireland stayed in the EU .
His lack of diplomacy on northern ireland has raised concern in the uk of american government interference...
Biden says he visited Northern Ireland ‘to make sure the Brits didn’t screw around’
The US president’s blunt remark draws gasps from politicians in Belfast and London.
...and my point was if this is unacceptable according to our ukraine vitue signallers of russia interfereing in the sovereign free ukraine then why should it be acceptable for a usa president to do the same in part of the uk?
Re: Obama. I never viewed his Brexit comments as any sort of pressure or threat. In response to the expectations of a post-Brexit free trade agreement, Obama was clarifying US trade priorities so that Westminster and voters would know that in leaving the EU, Britain could not expect priority trade status over the much larger EU market. He was imparting information that needed to be taken into account in the Brexit decision. Post-Brexit, though the US and UK still have a very robust trade relationship, the expected free trade agreement has never occurred, because the more lucrative EU market necessarily takes precedence. Obama was just telling the truth about market realities. I think that US presidents like to exert influence where they can, but at the same time, where their allies are concerned, they know they have no actual power to bring about change where it isn't wanted. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 3, 2023 14:44:57 GMT
youve been given examples of where. Re read my previous posts. If you are talking about Syria, the US went in there to fight Isis and had the support of the UN. Sanctioning the US for fighting terrorism is not a policy that you are going to find much support for. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 14:54:00 GMT
apologies ripley , im referring to biden and obamas interference in uk politics over brexit over a number of years.
We had obama putting pressure on the uk regarding brexit with his comments the uk would be at the back of any queue to do a trade deal. He also urged uk voters to stay in the EU. To specifically address your point though , biden and the american government have been clearly involved in making sure northern ireland stayed in the EU .
His lack of diplomacy on northern ireland has raised concern in the uk of american government interference...
Biden says he visited Northern Ireland ‘to make sure the Brits didn’t screw around’
The US president’s blunt remark draws gasps from politicians in Belfast and London.
...and my point was if this is unacceptable according to our ukraine vitue signallers of russia interfereing in the sovereign free ukraine then why should it be acceptable for a usa president to do the same in part of the uk?
Re: Obama. I never viewed his Brexit comments as any sort of pressure or threat. In response to the expectations of a post-Brexit free trade agreement, Obama was clarifying US trade priorities so that Westminster and voters would know that in leaving the EU, Britain could not expect priority trade status over the much larger EU market. He was imparting information that needed to be taken into account in the Brexit decision. Post-Brexit, though the US and UK still have a very robust trade relationship, the expected free trade agreement has never occurred, because the more lucrative EU market necessarily takes precedence. Obama was just telling the truth about market realities. I think that US presidents like to exert influence where they can, but at the same time, where their allies are concerned, they know they have no actual power to bring about change where it isn't wanted. thanks for your reply ripley.
i voted remain ripley , but i didnt like one little bit obamas comments and interference on brexit. I can assure you it was taken as a veiled threat by many over here. There was a lot of uproar about it.
dont agree with you ripley , and i think this is a bit of a cop out. Obama had already interfered previously regarding the demcoratic vote on brexit prior to these further comments regarding being at the back of the queue. It was often pointed out by many that his comments actually helped piss off the electorate in england so much they went out to vote for brexit to spite american interference. We discussed this many a time on various forums.
spying on the german chancellor , threatening the british over northern ireland . interfereing in both uk and scottish domestic politics? When russia tries to exert its influence in say africa asia or elsehwere , the americans are first to scream reds under the beds and demand zero cooperation ?
the current usa president was a massive political supporter of ira suspects and demanded they shouldnt be extradited to the uk in the eighties. The billions americans sent across in funding , as well as arms , to help terrorists throughout the long war years casued mayhem death and destruction of both irish and uk citizens. You most definetly tried to bring change where at the time it wasnt wanted.
Sorry ripley , but the idea the united states , especially under the democrats in the modern era , is some benign friendly influence gently chivvying countires in the direction of travel they want is laughable.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 14:59:42 GMT
youve been given examples of where. Re read my previous posts. If you are talking about Syria, the US went in there to fight Isis and had the support of the UN. Sanctioning the US for fighting terrorism is not a policy that you are going to find much support for. you said you didnt know the yanks were in syria the other day , and now you tell me you think they are there fighting isis with un approval? The ultimate authority on syria are the syrians pacifico. They want to the united states out of their country , and have demanded they leave. the yanks said no.
you didnt sanction them for funding terrorism in northern ireland either through NORAID , and there were plenty of support and anger at them doing so.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 3, 2023 15:06:58 GMT
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