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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 8:08:43 GMT
Maybe Thomas thinks the USA has invaded Canada billy no mates trying to be relevant in yet anbother thread with his limp wristed attempts at a put down. The adults are talking steve . Run along now dear. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 8:16:15 GMT
fully agree. What is new europe though , other than a collection of former powers now reduced to washington arse licking and vassal state status? While reading all the screams about ukrainian rights on trade and democracy free of interference , why arent the defenders of liberty barely mentioning (if at all ) the yookay being banned from fully brexiting on american say so , or germany being free to buy russian gas if need be?
The hungarian president said something about liberal in europe once meaning freedom , now meaning against freedoms. The same applies to the changing meaning of NATO. Once it was supposed to be a defensive alliance , now its merely a construct that furthers american foriegn policy.
Why dont we shut westminster and holyrood down , and start sending representatives to washington and be done with it?
Could you maybe flesh out that comment about the UK being banned from fully Brexiting on American say so? Not sure how the US can ban Brexit. apologies ripley , im referring to biden and obamas interference in uk politics over brexit over a number of years.
We had obama putting pressure on the uk regarding brexit with his comments the uk would be at the back of any queue to do a trade deal. He also urged uk voters to stay in the EU. To specifically address your point though , biden and the american government have been clearly involved in making sure northern ireland stayed in the EU .
His lack of diplomacy on northern ireland has raised concern in the uk of american government interference...
Biden says he visited Northern Ireland ‘to make sure the Brits didn’t screw around’
The US president’s blunt remark draws gasps from politicians in Belfast and London.
...and my point was if this is unacceptable according to our ukraine vitue signallers of russia interfereing in the sovereign free ukraine then why should it be acceptable for a usa president to do the same in part of the uk?
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 8:45:53 GMT
Maybe Thomas thinks the USA has invaded Canada billy no mates trying to be relevant in yet anbother thread with his limp wristed attempts at a put down. The adults are talking steve . Run along now dear. Oh look tantrums. And a pathetic failure by you to show the modern day USA for all its faults has done anything remotely on the magnitude of what deserves the international responses you want to be modelled on the response to Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 8:57:53 GMT
billy no mates trying to be relevant in yet anbother thread with his limp wristed attempts at a put down. The adults are talking steve . Run along now dear. Oh look tantrums. And a pathetic failure by you to show the modern day USA for all its faults has done anything remotely on the magnitude of what deserves the international responses you want to be modelled on the response to Russia. I can read the same thing on the western news feeds, whilst knowing for a fact that anything that isn't propaganda for a western people is omitted, like most things that doesn't tow the line. For some people this situation is embraced. They prefer no-platforms over an exchange of opinions and ideas. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 9:15:06 GMT
billy no mates trying to be relevant in yet anbother thread with his limp wristed attempts at a put down. The adults are talking steve . Run along now dear. Oh look tantrums. And a pathetic failure by you to show the modern day USA for all its faults has done anything remotely on the magnitude of what deserves the international responses you want to be modelled on the response to Russia. is this you projecting supposed tantrums onto forum members once again to make puerile points?
i have done numerous times over many threads. the failure is all in your warped fantasy world steve.
Russia interferes politically in ukraine thats bad. The usa interferes politically in the uk....silence .
russia invades ukraine , thats bad. The united states invades syria and occupies an area the size of croatia . silence.
Russia breaks un resolutions thats bad. The usa breaks a un resolution over chagos islands. silence.
Do you see the pattern steve and my point in between your fantasy projections of forum members somehow being remotely interested in your latest handbags at forty paces?
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Post by wapentake on Sept 3, 2023 9:27:38 GMT
I doubt many deny that the US and other western powers have done some bad stuff,but there’s no silence witness the anti Iraq war demonstrations and to this day Blair is one if not the most hated politician.
I guess the big difference is we are free to discuss this I doubt if forums such as this exist in Russia people would feel free to voice the criticism we do of our political masters
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 9:34:18 GMT
Oh dear more tantrums
Thomas doesn't seem to understand the difference between UN approved action and evil invasions to seize territory for some ethnic fascist empire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 9:41:55 GMT
Oh dear more tantrums Thomas doesn't seem to understand the difference between UN approved action and evil invasions to seize territory for some ethnic fascist empire. If only life was that simple.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 3, 2023 10:40:24 GMT
for the same reason you are sanctioning russia , to be consistent. Or do these high morals that the ukraine virtue signallers go on about only apply to certain countries when it suits as i keep saying? like i said its fucking laughable.
You want to hold russia accountable to some imaginary moral standard you wont hold america accountable to for doing similar elsewhere.?
Where? |
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Post by Orac on Sept 3, 2023 11:11:00 GMT
I guess the big difference is we are free to discuss this I doubt if forums such as this exist in Russia people would feel free to voice the criticism we do of our political masters It seems to me that this clear blue water between the two is rapidly narrowing. The are discussions in Germany about banning popular political parties. 'Online safety' is legal a concept that keeps re-appearing, despite it being a transparent cover for various forms of censorship to anyone with a fully working forebrain. The FBI and large parts of the western media co-operated to suppress information during the last US election. I guess we don't (yet) send people to gulags for disagreeing with Joe Biden |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:04:35 GMT
for the same reason you are sanctioning russia , to be consistent. Or do these high morals that the ukraine virtue signallers go on about only apply to certain countries when it suits as i keep saying? like i said its fucking laughable.
You want to hold russia accountable to some imaginary moral standard you wont hold america accountable to for doing similar elsewhere.?
Where? youve been given examples of where. Re read my previous posts. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:07:50 GMT
Oh dear more tantrums Thomas doesn't seem to understand the difference between UN approved action and evil invasions to seize territory for some ethnic fascist empire. thank god we have you here steve to keep us all informed and on the straight and narrow. I dont think i have ever come across a more pointless forum member than you in my time posting on interwebby forums , with your throw empty one liners , perpetual sneering at other members , all because you have been in some never ending 7 year sulk you lost a referendum regarding brexit.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:13:17 GMT
I doubt many deny that the US and other western powers have done some bad stuff,but there’s no silence witness the anti Iraq war demonstrations and to this day Blair is one if not the most hated politician. I guess the big difference is we are free to discuss this I doubt if forums such as this exist in Russia people would feel free to voice the criticism we do of our political masters i see what you are sayin wapentake , but if i rememebr regarding the iraq war , it was more an anti war demonstration and protests at our own government than an anti american demonstration. The point is where was the comparable sanctions on the americans and their illegal invasion?
possibly. I dont know how free russian political forums are .
My continual point though is the yanks dont seem to be held to the same accouting as the russians here in the west by the media and political elite . Why is that? Do the gullible really think we are some sort of best buddies with the yank elite , or is it fear that makes us bow and scrape to them?
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:16:23 GMT
Oh dear more tantrums Thomas doesn't seem to understand the difference between UN approved action and evil invasions to seize territory for some ethnic fascist empire. If only life was that simple. it is in steves liberal la la land. Steve doesnt seem to understand the united nations passed a unanimous resolution , backed by the majority of the worlds countries supporting the americans getting out of the chagos islands and them being returned to the chagossians who were ethnically cleansed to make way for the yank base there.
the yanks stuck two fingers up and ignored the un approved actions.
....but ....but ...evil ethnic fascist states and all that in the east.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:21:04 GMT
I guess the big difference is we are free to discuss this I doubt if forums such as this exist in Russia people would feel free to voice the criticism we do of our political masters It seems to me that this clear blue water between the two is rapidly narrowing. The are discussions in Germany about banning popular political parties. 'Online safety' is legal a concept that keeps re-appearing, despite it being a transparent cover for various forms of censorship to anyone with a fully working forebrain. The FBI and large parts of the western media co-operated to suppress information during the last US election. I guess we don't (yet) send people to gulags for disagreeing with Joe Biden Didnt american intelligence agencies spy on the germans for years as well?
no wonder puppets like scholz are talking about banning popualr political parties that may theaten yank hegemony in germany.
U.S. spy agency tapped German chancellery for decades: WikiLeaks
BERLIN (Reuters) - The U.S. National Security Agency tapped phone calls involving German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her closest advisers for years and spied on the staff of her predecessors, according to WikiLeaks.
A report released by the group suggested NSA spying on Merkel and her staff had gone on far longer and more widely than previously realized. WikiLeaks said the NSA targeted for long-term surveillance 125 phone numbers of top German officials.
The release risks renewing tensions between Germany and the United States a month after they sought to put a row over spying behind them, with U.S. President Barack Obama declaring in Bavaria that the two nations were “inseparable allies”
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