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Post by thomas on Sept 2, 2023 19:46:03 GMT
He is part of a "fringe group" of 101 MEPs, hardly a fringe at all. 1/7th of the EU's MEPs are in it. He's not on his own, not isolated. And the proposals for treaty change have ideas he's long promoted. I will say this though, sometimes, he has a point. If they want a federal superstate, it needs to be one without vetoes, opt outs, it would need uniformity of taxation, wage harmonisation, and legislative initiative would need to be in the hands of elected politicians not Commissioners. National governments have balked at measures that would have made the EU more democratic, because it would displace them and take their jobs. I'm not a fan of the EU but if they're going to make it work, if Guy's ideas were applied, those ideas might at least fix the Eurozone. you really are a bit of a totalitarian centralist vinny , opposed to democracy , while trying to imply otherwise. Not content with demanding the scottish parliament is closed down , against the wishes of 75 % of us scots who wanted it , you are now arguing for more centralisation and the sidelining of national governments in an entity you voted to leave and have nothing further to do with?
Im not sure what you are claiming verhofstadt supports , but whatever it is , if its reducing eu states to powerless regions of some sort of brussells empire , i can see why you would support this. It isnt going to happen though , and as ever is all a fantasy in your head.
There are indeed many problems with eu policy and structure , but as ever , turning it into some mirror of sort of centralised empire is going to fix them. Nor is it realistic in my view to think european governments are going to give up full sovereignty.
If kier starmer gets into power vinny , you will be back in the EU before you can scream kill the invader. You wont even be aware you have rejoined.
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 21:57:06 GMT
He is part of a "fringe group" of 101 MEPs, hardly a fringe at all. 1/7th of the EU's MEPs are in it. He's not on his own, not isolated. And the proposals for treaty change have ideas he's long promoted. I will say this though, sometimes, he has a point. If they want a federal superstate, it needs to be one without vetoes, opt outs, it would need uniformity of taxation, wage harmonisation, and legislative initiative would need to be in the hands of elected politicians not Commissioners. National governments have balked at measures that would have made the EU more democratic, because it would displace them and take their jobs. I'm not a fan of the EU but if they're going to make it work, if Guy's ideas were applied, those ideas might at least fix the Eurozone. The key words there are 'If they want a federal superstate' No evidence there is any real drive for that outside of ex leaders of fringe states that see making the EU a superstate as a way of actually being remembered in history. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 3, 2023 0:52:33 GMT
Put it to the vote and it's democracy, impose it without and it is dictatorship.
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 0:58:43 GMT
Put it to the vote and it's democracy, impose it without and it is dictatorship. And everyone outside that Belgian/Luxembourg clique and the EU paranoids know full well (a) it'd have to go to a vote as a minimum in several EU states that constitutionally require such and (b) it stands not a cat in hell's chance of being approved. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 3, 2023 9:55:36 GMT
Guy Verhofstadt has launched a 116 page plan to expand Brussels' control over EU countries, proving many of the UK's Brexit voting community right. The draft plan proposes a major shift towards majority voting, which would overrule national vetoes. The rule-by-the-majority plan would apply in several areas, including defence, taxation and foreign policy. It would also see the [Unelected] European Commission renamed the 'European Executive', along with a large expansion of parliament's powers. The document, seen by Politico, includes handing total control over environmental and climate matters to the EU central body. It has been signed by Verhofstadt and five other european lawmakers and is expected to be unveiled later this month. In the build up to the Brexit referendum, there were growing concerns over what was seen as a growing EU "dictatorship", with the bloc imposing its laws on the UK. The newest draft signals an even bigger shift towards centralised power, giving the EU powers to bypass individual countries if they object to legislation. www.gbnews.com/politics/eu-news-verhofstadt-brussels-brexitRemainiacs will of course scoff, if a little nervously perhaps, and insist there's nothing wrong with handing more and more power to a small and unelected cabal of bureaucrats who were kicked out of elected office in their respective states, only to surface behind the closed doors of the all powerful and unelected, EU commission. Yes indeed posters, move along nothing to see here... Guy Verhofstadt is an isolated loser nowadays. All he has left is tawdry media outlets like the Express and GB News buying him lunch so they can recount his idiot views to their idiot readers and viewers. Same old attack as in my thread. You try and brush everything off by degrading people when you come up against threads/news that doesn't fit your narrow minded view of the world. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 2:00:23 GMT
No I suggest you read the OP which all hinges on whether Guy Verhostat has any power to get his latest idea implemented
So it's not just fair but highly relevant to point out that no he doesn't.
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 4, 2023 3:36:18 GMT
Oh, so calling people who view and read GBNews as "idiots" is fair is it?
Ever thought to wonder why you rub people up the wrong way with your haughty communication skills, or lack of?
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Post by Vinny on Sept 4, 2023 8:44:11 GMT
Guy Verhofstadt is not the lone voice. www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220603IPR32122/parliament-activates-process-to-change-eu-treaties" * Call on heads of state or government to set up a Convention to revise the Treaties * First batch of proposals for a new institutional setup for the EU * Abolition of veto powers, more EU powers in health, energy, defence, and social and economic policies * A full and direct right of legislative initiative for Parliament and better protection of founding values * reforming voting procedures in the Council to enhance the European Union’s capacity to act, including switching from unanimity to qualified majority voting, in areas such as sanctions, the so-called passerelle clauses, and in emergencies; * adapting the EU’s powers, especially in the areas of health and cross-border health threats, in the completion of the energy union based on efficiency and renewables in line with international agreements on climate change, in defence, and in social and economic policies; * ensuring that the European Pillar of Social Rights is fully implemented and incorporating social progress, linked to a Social Progress Protocol, into the Treaties; * making the EU economy more resilient, with special attention paid to small and medium-sized enterprises and competitiveness checks, and promoting investments focused on the just, green and digital transitions; * providing Parliament with the right to initiate, amend or revoke legislation, and with full rights as a co-legislator on the EU budget; and * strengthening the procedure to protect the EU’s founding values and clarifying the determination and consequences of breaches ( 7 TEU and the Charter of Fundamental Rights). The resolution was adopted with 355 votes in favour, 154 against, and 48 abstentions," The man clearly has many who agree with him. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 4, 2023 8:51:55 GMT
All proposed legislation is voted on three times.
Look. It is an idea being looked at by a small group of MEP's.
There has been a steady move away from single veto of certain types of legislation for years. The feeling is that if 26 members want something, one should not be able to veto it.
Seems reasonable to me that the QMV threshold of 66% approval is democratically respectful.
What the ideas above are doing is strengthening Parliament's powers.
After all the howling about the EU not being democratic, i would have thought you would have applauded these ideas.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 4, 2023 10:08:20 GMT
A thing to remember about Guy Verhofstadt, he genuinely believes in what he's doing, rather than some politicians who are just in it to get rich.
I don't like what he believes in, but he at least has principles.
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 4, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
A thing to remember about Guy Verhofstadt, he genuinely believes in what he's doing, rather than some politicians who are just in it to get rich. I don't like what he believes in, but he at least has principles. I don't like his gappy teeth or his desperation to see the UK as part of a federal Europe. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 4, 2023 10:19:20 GMT
What's interesting is in his push for a federal Europe, he's proposing to make the EU more democratic rather than less, by giving MEPs the ability to initiate policy rather than the Commission.
And though I don't like that man, and I don't like the EU, if it becomes more democratic, that's not a bad thing.
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 4, 2023 21:14:14 GMT
The areas affected by Verhofstadt and his cronies are taxation, defence and foreign policy. As BfB states: "This proves a point made repeatedly in the 2016 referendum: EU membership comes with a constant risk of ceding more power
to Brussels".
As Liam fox states, we should thank those red wall voters for getting us out!
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 21:25:58 GMT
Oh, so calling people who view and read GBNews as "idiots" is fair is it? Ever thought to wonder why you rub people up the wrong way with your haughty communication skills, or lack of? Except if you actually understood English you'd know I didn't say all people who view and read GB News are idiots Just a lot of them are |
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 21:27:26 GMT
Guy Verhofstadt is an isolated loser nowadays. All he has left is tawdry media outlets like the Express and GB News buying him lunch so they can recount his idiot views to their idiot readers and viewers. Same old attack as in my thread. You try and brush everything off by degrading people when you come up against threads/news that doesn't fit your narrow minded view of the world. When there is only one source for an assertion smart people look at who is making the assertion and whether they have any credibility |
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