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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2023 13:44:53 GMT
He isnt bothered with the UK anymore. Why should he be? Anymore than be bothered with Chile or Tanzania? I find it fascinating that those who support Brexit still want to talk about the EU and expect to be talked about in the EU. You arent. If you are interested he has been quite busy. www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/97058/GUY_VERHOFSTADT/homeNo one suggested that we expect to be talked about in the EU. Of course we should take note of what’s happening in the EU. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 2, 2023 14:39:11 GMT
He isnt bothered with the UK anymore. Why should he be? Anymore than be bothered with Chile or Tanzania? I find it fascinating that those who support Brexit still want to talk about the EU and expect to be talked about in the EU. You arent. If you are interested he has been quite busy. www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/97058/GUY_VERHOFSTADT/homeNo one suggested that we expect to be talked about in the EU. Of course we should take note of what’s happening in the EU. Why? The USA is your biggest partner in trade and military power but unless the subject is Trump, no one gives a toss about American issues. The distorted EU you never fully understood still lives in your head. You still want to justify leaving. Why? You cant do anything about it now so the issues should be about how the UK manages post 2016, not how the EU has managed. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2023 14:41:50 GMT
No one suggested that we expect to be talked about in the EU. Of course we should take note of what’s happening in the EU. Why? The USA is your biggest partner in trade and military power but unless the subject is Trump, no one gives a toss about American issues. The distorted EU you never fully understood still lives in your head. You still want to justify leaving. Why? You cant do anything about it now so the issues should be about how the UK manages post 2016, not how the EU has managed. So you are saying that we should only take note of the US and shouldn’t take note of the EU because the US is a larger trading partner . Have you considered how ridiculous that claim is ? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 2, 2023 14:48:40 GMT
Guy Verhofstadt is an isolated loser nowadays. He's a member of Renew Europe, a bloc with 101 MEPs in the EU Parliament. He's a co founder of the Spinelli Group, an EU federalist initiative. He has more allies than you realise and the treaty change process that is underway right now, is proposing an elimination of vetoes, of unanimity and a change to qualified majority voting. The treaty change process that is underway right now, is a process he is involved with and approves of. www.epc.eu/content/PDF/2023/Constitutional_Reform_DP.pdfIt's early days but their treaty changes should be followed with interest. And those involved should not be dismissed as "isolated losers" especially when we're talking about a former Prime Minister of Belgium here. Why on earth should the UK be aware of how the EU passes legislation? Are you concerned about how Niger or Mali passes legislation...because that is far more important given the coups that are taking place in Africa supported by Russia and is a convenient launch pad for long range missiles. For those who dont understand how dzcisions are taken in the EU this pimple of an issue is irrelevant. It doesnt concern you. Just for the record i have never liked the single veto either in the EU or the Security Council in the UN other than for membership approval. The current qualified majority vote in the EU is 66%. A decent majority. The UK didnt get 66% approval to leave. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 2, 2023 14:55:48 GMT
Why? The USA is your biggest partner in trade and military power but unless the subject is Trump, no one gives a toss about American issues. The distorted EU you never fully understood still lives in your head. You still want to justify leaving. Why? You cant do anything about it now so the issues should be about how the UK manages post 2016, not how the EU has managed. So you are saying that we should only take note of the US and shouldn’t take note of the EU because the US is a larger trading partner . Have you considered how ridiculous that claim is ? I am saying you should learn to read. I never used the word "only". You did. Your problem is that you hardly ever discuss anything else. You left. What the EU decides to do is not your business yet you still want to discuss it as if it affects you. You have no say in what it does. And the USA is more globally influential. But you hardly ever are concerned about that. By the way the term "federal dictatorship" is an oxymoron. It cannot happen in correct use and understanding of the English language. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2023 15:04:51 GMT
So you are saying that we should only take note of the US and shouldn’t take note of the EU because the US is a larger trading partner . Have you considered how ridiculous that claim is ? I am saying you should learn to read. I never used the word "only". You did. Your problem is that you hardly ever discuss anything else. You left. What the EU decides to do is not your business yet you still want to discuss it as if it affects you. You have no say in what it does. And the USA is more globally influential. But you hardly ever are concerned about that. By the way the term "federal dictatorship" is an oxymoron. It cannot happen in correct use and understanding of the English language. You should learn to think . You are whining because we discuss EU matters on the basis that we have left the EU and the US is our major trading partner and we hardly ever discuss the US. The inference is that instead of discussing the EU , we should discuss the US. Why have you hatched up this nonsense that what happens in the EU should not be discussed because we left it ? Since when does a bitter and twisted ex remainer decide what this forum should or should not discuss ? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 2, 2023 15:15:29 GMT
For the last time.
And as simply as possible.
There is a clutch of people in here who are prepared to discuss the minutiae of what the EU is doing.
To the exclusion of what other more important countries are doing.
The EU is like Japanese knotweed in your head. You just cannot stop talking about it. It grows and grows and you cant kill it.
Do you care how the USA passes legislation? You should do because the antics of just that may well become a real civil war next year.
When and where the EU uses a veto or QMV is utterly irrelevant to the UK.
OH. and look up "federal" and "dictatorship". Ir cannot exist. Which tells me the OP has very little if any understanding of that which he speaks.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2023 15:21:25 GMT
For the last time. And as simply as possible. There is a clutch of people in here who are prepared to discuss the minutiae of what the EU is doing. To the exclusion of what other more important countries are doing. The EU is like Japanese knotweed in your head. You just cannot stop talking about it. It grows and grows and you cant kill it. Do you care how the USA passes legislation? You should do because the antics of just that may well become a real civil war next year. When and where the EU uses a veto or QMV is utterly irrelevant to the UK. OH. and look up "federal" and "dictatorship". Ir cannot exist. Which tells me the OP has very little if any understanding of that which he speaks. Nope. Brexit is like Japanese knotweed in your head. It has made you so unstable and irrational that you seem to think that we should not be discussing the EU . 1 because it is not discussed in the way you like . 2 because we don’t discuss the US enough . You have to ask yourself why someone living in the EU wants to whine about people living outside of the EU discussing their views on the EU ? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 2, 2023 15:28:49 GMT
Simple.
Because you dont know what you are talking about.
And because it is irrelevant to you.
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Course if you like to waste your time discussing things you dont understand and which are irrelevant, which makes much of the conversation not only boring and misinformative, but makes you look like a pointless idiot, fine.
We all know you do it because you continually have to justify leaving. Because it isnt quite working out as you were promised by those famous lying charletons who blew smoke up your ass.
It really is quite pathetic.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 2, 2023 15:41:06 GMT
Simple. Because you dont know what you are talking about. And because it is irrelevant to you. . Course if you like to waste your time discussing things you dont understand and which are irrelevant, which makes much of the conversation not only boring and misinformative, but makes you look like a pointless idiot, fine. We all know you do it because you continually have to justify leaving. Because it isnt quite working out as you were promised by those famous lying charletons who blew smoke up your ass. It really is quite pathetic. So the answer to”Since when does a bitter and twisted ex remainer decide what this forum should or should not discuss ? Is 1. because it is not discussed in the way you like . I have expressed the opinion many times just after the referendum that post Brexit would be better than the remainers claim and not quite as good as the leavers claim. Ive been proven correct time and time again . Thats why I’m not bitter and twisted . You are just as desperate for a post Brexit Uk to fail as leavers are for it to succeed. Not only that but you want leavers to admit that Brexit has failed even if it has not. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 2, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
So you are saying that we should only take note of the US and shouldn’t take note of the EU because the US is a larger trading partner . Have you considered how ridiculous that claim is ? I am saying you should learn to read. I never used the word "only". You did. Your problem is that you hardly ever discuss anything else. You left. What the EU decides to do is not your business yet you still want to discuss it as if it affects you. You have no say in what it does. And the USA is more globally influential. But you hardly ever are concerned about that. By the way the term "federal dictatorship" is an oxymoron. It cannot happen in correct use and understanding of the English language. It is when it affects the UK - and due to the rather odd arrangement over NI it does. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 17:03:07 GMT
Guy Verhofstadt is an isolated loser nowadays. He's a member of Renew Europe, a bloc with 101 MEPs in the EU Parliament. He's a co founder of the Spinelli Group, an EU federalist initiative. He has more allies than you realise and the treaty change process that is underway right now, is proposing an elimination of vetoes, of unanimity and a change to qualified majority voting. The treaty change process that is underway right now, is a process he is involved with and approves of. www.epc.eu/content/PDF/2023/Constitutional_Reform_DP.pdfIt's early days but their treaty changes should be followed with interest. And those involved should not be dismissed as "isolated losers" especially when we're talking about a former Prime Minister of Belgium here. He had allies, nowadays he's just a gobshite that fringe group allow him in out of politeness that he used to lead its predecessor |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 2, 2023 17:28:42 GMT
101 MEPs in his fringe group.
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 18:30:32 GMT
101 MEPs in his fringe group. It's not HIS fringe group but thanks for confirming my point |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 2, 2023 19:36:49 GMT
He is part of a "fringe group" of 101 MEPs, hardly a fringe at all. 1/7th of the EU's MEPs are in it. He's not on his own, not isolated.
And the proposals for treaty change have ideas he's long promoted.
I will say this though, sometimes, he has a point.
If they want a federal superstate, it needs to be one without vetoes, opt outs, it would need uniformity of taxation, wage harmonisation, and legislative initiative would need to be in the hands of elected politicians not Commissioners.
National governments have balked at measures that would have made the EU more democratic, because it would displace them and take their jobs.
I'm not a fan of the EU but if they're going to make it work, if Guy's ideas were applied, those ideas might at least fix the Eurozone.
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