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Post by Pacifico on Sept 9, 2023 21:29:30 GMT
The democratic system we have is the democratic system we have. FFS, if you cant do anything better but claim that under a different system a majority would vote to rejoin the EU you should give up now sunlight..  Right, but a majority is in favour of rejoining. A majority voted for pro-referendum parties in 2019 and a majority wishes to rejoin now. Well vote for a party that promises to rejoin - you can can't you? |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 9, 2023 21:34:05 GMT
Right, but a majority is in favour of rejoining. A majority voted for pro-referendum parties in 2019 and a majority wishes to rejoin now. Well vote for a party that promises to rejoin - you can can't you? Ah, changing the subject again, Doc? A majority wants to rejoin. That's clear from more than 90 plus consecutive polls. A majority voted for pro-referendum parties in 2019. Rejoining is inevitable. That's the point of the thread, however much you would like to distract from the facts. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 0:10:27 GMT
In the meantime, Britain was able to deepen its trading ties with nations around the world, because the EU acted like a bunny boiler in its split with Britain. www.aseanbriefing.com/news/singapore-uk-bilateral-investment-treaty-status-of-negotiations/With the narrative that the UK is the worst G7 economy for growth now obsolete (a weapon Europhiles loved), it's really hard to see how Europhiles can ever persuade Briton's to rejoin an outdated, low growth, sclerotic bloc. Quite frankly, there isn't much appeal. Keep them at arms length. 'Cherry pick' intiatives like Horizon where we can cooperate without losing complete autonomy without sacrificing this to the detriment with trade for the RoW. And Europhiles in the meantime will have to persuade why we should adopt, the Euro, Schengen and FoM. Now that we're out, rejoining is a monumental task for Europhiles - a bridge too far for them now I think. It doesn't matter. The people are saying what they want. They want to re-join. Why can't you respect that? One, I don't really heed polls. Being a remainer and the arrogance omitted last time from such polls you too should tread carefully, especially when the public have been so badly misinformed over the last couple of years about the UK being the worst performing G7 economy. Not forgetting how remainers have muddied the waters with the Covid pandemic and the war in Ukraine, and have done their utmost to blame it on Brexit. Like I said, the amount of misinformation and lies about Brexit being mass produced as the sin to all our ills, I am suprised the 'polls' percentage isn't higher. However, and more importantly, it is undemocratic to demand you get yet 'another people's vote' so soon after leaving. By doing such, you are weakening the authority of the decision-maker - the people. If we have your flip-flop democracy until remainers get the result they want (flip democracy), then there becomes little purpose appointing people to make decisions if they don't become decisive. Unless things radically change for the worse and the UK becomes a tyranny of some sort then the electorate's authority as a decision maker wouldn't be undermined if it asked to decide again. No such radical shift has happened, and as such this is the expected oportunistic calls to overturn the referendum result of 2016. This was to be expected over the next few decades, and you should also expect to be swatted away to ensure democracy is protected and the decision maker (the people) is bound to the decisions they make. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 10, 2023 6:42:58 GMT
Well vote for a party that promises to rejoin - you can can't you? Ah, changing the subject again, Doc? A majority wants to rejoin. That's clear from more than 90 plus consecutive polls. A majority voted for pro-referendum parties in 2019. Rejoining is inevitable. That's the point of the thread, however much you would like to distract from the facts. It is the subject - opinion polls dont matter whatever they say, the only thing that matters is people putting the right tick in the box on election day. So are you going to vote for a Party promising to rejoin? - can you even vote in the UK? |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 10, 2023 7:50:18 GMT
Ah, changing the subject again, Doc? A majority wants to rejoin. That's clear from more than 90 plus consecutive polls. A majority voted for pro-referendum parties in 2019. Rejoining is inevitable. That's the point of the thread, however much you would like to distract from the facts. It is the subject - opinion polls dont matter whatever they say, the only thing that matters is people putting the right tick in the box on election day. So are you going to vote for a Party promising to rejoin? - can you even vote in the UK? What matters is that a majority wishes to rejoin, that Brexit has been a failure in the eyes of the majority. What will happen is speculation; that Brexit is contrary to the majority's wishes is fact. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 10, 2023 7:55:39 GMT
What did you do to get the last one? Voted for the Political Party promising to leave the EU - what are you doing? I financially support Rejoin. therejoineuparty.com/I await a major party that recognises public opinion. But unlike you I am not prepared to destroy the country just to get what I want, so I wouldn't vote for say Corbyn just to get that. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 10, 2023 7:59:02 GMT
We're making some progress at last, Doc. It looks like you're beginning to understand that Brexit isn't the will of the people anymore. You appear to have moved from 'Brexit is democracy' to 'Brexit isn't democracy, but we had to live with the will of the people being ignored for more than 20 years, so now it's your turn'. That's fine. Let's see how it works out for you. The democratic system we have is the democratic system we have. FFS, if you cant do anything better but claim that under a different system a majority would vote to rejoin the EU you should give up now sunlight.. Which is why we had a referendum on the specific subject and why we should do the same again. And ALSO why you so desperately don't want one. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 10, 2023 7:59:46 GMT
Voted for the Political Party promising to leave the EU - what are you doing? I financially support Rejoin. therejoineuparty.com/I await a major party that recognises public opinion. But unlike you I am not prepared to destroy the country just to get what I want, so I wouldn't vote for say Corbyn just to get that. Funny so you help fund a non-entity who don't have anything like public opinion behind it in desperation somebody might take up your cause, which is obviously completely self centred. I somehow doubt even the Corbyn is that mad looking for a cause of the people so to speak. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 8:01:20 GMT
It is the subject - opinion polls dont matter whatever they say, the only thing that matters is people putting the right tick in the box on election day. So are you going to vote for a Party promising to rejoin? - can you even vote in the UK? What matters is that a majority wishes to rejoin, that Brexit has been a failure in the eyes of the majority. What will happen is speculation; that Brexit is contrary to the majority's wishes is fact. What matters is that the majority voted to leave and that was enacted. You can speculate all you like. The rest of us deal with reality. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 10, 2023 8:05:02 GMT
What matters is that a majority wishes to rejoin, that Brexit has been a failure in the eyes of the majority. What will happen is speculation; that Brexit is contrary to the majority's wishes is fact. What matters is that the majority voted to leave and that was enacted. You can speculate all you like. The rest of us deal with reality. Okay, deal with the reality that the majority sees Brexit as a failure, then. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 10, 2023 8:08:53 GMT
It doesn't matter. The people are saying what they want. They want to re-join. Why can't you respect that? How convenient. Dirty tactics who'd have thought it. Thank god the Brexit side didn't use them to get the result they wanted. Well you have to understand the proportion of people who think it was a mistake to leave but are not desiring to go through it again. they would vote rejoin if a referendum were offered, but do not necessarily want one. But then to understand this you'd have to watch the polls, which you don't. So soon? Its been 7 years. And all 7 years polls have supported rejoin. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 8:19:50 GMT
What matters is that the majority voted to leave and that was enacted. You can speculate all you like. The rest of us deal with reality. Okay, deal with the reality that the majority sees Brexit as a failure, then. Opinions are like arseholes, especially when they've been misinformed. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 8:20:17 GMT
How convenient. Dirty tactics who'd have thought it. Thank god the Brexit side didn't use them to get the result they wanted. Well you have to understand the proportion of people who think it was a mistake to leave but are not desiring to go through it again. they would vote rejoin if a referendum were offered, but do not necessarily want one. But then to understand this you'd have to watch the polls, which you don't. So soon? Its been 7 years. And all 7 years polls have supported rejoin. Ho hum. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 10, 2023 8:24:20 GMT
Okay, deal with the reality that the majority sees Brexit as a failure, then. Opinions are like arseholes, especially when they've been misinformed. 62% |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 10, 2023 8:27:23 GMT
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