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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 16:51:05 GMT
Anyone to the right of Braverman would be far right. Now look at all your and others posts advocating such positions Why would that be? Far indicates an extremity yet it seems to be a position held by a fair proportion of the populace so it may be right but surely it cannot be 'far'. That would be those who advocate, well I do not know, what makes a person 'far right'? Signs include wanting to tear up human rights, wanting to cut welfare and health services to reduce taxes for the rich, wanting to end the independence of the judiciary and electoral oversight, wanting to end limits on discrimination, wanting to see extra judicial death for illegal migrants. Tick more than one of those boxes and it's far right. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 2, 2023 18:05:12 GMT
Why would that be? Far indicates an extremity yet it seems to be a position held by a fair proportion of the populace so it may be right but surely it cannot be 'far'. That would be those who advocate, well I do not know, what makes a person 'far right'? Signs include wanting to tear up human rights, wanting to cut welfare and health services to reduce taxes for the rich, wanting to end the independence of the judiciary and electoral oversight, wanting to end limits on discrimination, wanting to see extra judicial death for illegal migrants. Tick more than one of those boxes and it's far right. The left have already torn up human rights for many. There is a balance as regards tax levels and whether or not people reside here who can easily move themselves and their money abroad. What do you mean end limits on discrimination, as far as I can see most accused of being far right want to stop discrimination against white people and end the teaching in any way of critical race theory that places white people in a racial niche of being inescapably racially discriminatory. I have no idea what you mean extra judicial deaths for illegal migrants. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 2, 2023 18:08:55 GMT
Signs include wanting to tear up human rights, wanting to cut welfare and health services to reduce taxes for the rich, wanting to end the independence of the judiciary and electoral oversight, wanting to end limits on discrimination, wanting to see extra judicial death for illegal migrants. Tick more than one of those boxes and it's far right. The left have already torn up human rights for many. There is a balance as regards tax levels and whether or not people reside here who can easily move themselves and their money abroad. What do you mean end limits on discrimination, as far as I can see most accused of being far right want to stop discrimination against white people and end the teaching in any way of critical race theory that places white people in a racial niche of being inescapably racially discriminatory. I have no idea what you mean extra judicial deaths for illegal migrants. Steve has created an alternative reality. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 18:47:30 GMT
Oh the irony
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Post by Steve on Sept 2, 2023 18:48:24 GMT
Signs include wanting to tear up human rights, wanting to cut welfare and health services to reduce taxes for the rich, wanting to end the independence of the judiciary and electoral oversight, wanting to end limits on discrimination, wanting to see extra judicial death for illegal migrants. Tick more than one of those boxes and it's far right. The left have already torn up human rights for many. There is a balance as regards tax levels and whether or not people reside here who can easily move themselves and their money abroad. What do you mean end limits on discrimination, as far as I can see most accused of being far right want to stop discrimination against white people and end the teaching in any way of critical race theory that places white people in a racial niche of being inescapably racially discriminatory. I have no idea what you mean extra judicial deaths for illegal migrants. Or in short you tick so many of those boxes you aren't merely far right, you're an ultra. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 2, 2023 22:43:11 GMT
The left have already torn up human rights for many. There is a balance as regards tax levels and whether or not people reside here who can easily move themselves and their money abroad. What do you mean end limits on discrimination, as far as I can see most accused of being far right want to stop discrimination against white people and end the teaching in any way of critical race theory that places white people in a racial niche of being inescapably racially discriminatory. I have no idea what you mean extra judicial deaths for illegal migrants. Or in short you tick so many of those boxes you aren't merely far right, you're an ultra. So let us be clear I support human rights for everyone, I see a tax system with all its flaws as at best difficult, I wish to see discrimination on the basis of race ended, I wish to see the teaching of the theoretical racial differences in school stopped and I have no idea what you mean by extra judicial deaths of illegal migrants and I am 'ultra' right. That kind of rests my case as most people I know, or have talked to, and they are many, hold much the same views. So I would guess we are just normal and not on the extremes. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 3, 2023 0:05:13 GMT
So how come you post advocating the scaling back of accepted Human rights?
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 3, 2023 9:57:45 GMT
So how come you post advocating the scaling back of accepted Human rights? How about "because a certain racial group on this planet are taking the piss big time and another quite different racial group are sending their violent criminals here by the same methods to take an even bigger piss big time
Tell me something
If lawyers are SO keen to fight the case to remain on British Soil for ANYONE who rocks up here to get a better life as an economic migrant, how come white twentysomething Americans trying to do that while their parents are serving USAF personnel, one at the Fylingdale EW Radar Base and the other at a USAF rapid response base, get fuck all elp from those lawyers who are only interested in helping black and brown people invade the country ? Because that's what happenned. The so called immigration lawyers not two miles from where i sit had a whole waiting room full of such people when my youngest's then boyfriend sought their help to remain in the UK to study, having all the A levels and funding from the USA necessary, and needing a visa, and they told him to fuck off.
If these bastards won't help anyone and everyone, they should be told they can help no one and thrown out of business, barred from practising in the UK and left to die in the fucking gutter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 15:44:03 GMT
I'm all for human rights, but not foreigner's human rights trumping a national's human rights. I expect that makes me a right wing bigot? So be it.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 3, 2023 20:24:45 GMT
So how come you post advocating the scaling back of accepted Human rights? The scaling back?? I advocate Human Rights for all and that includes the white English. What are 'accepted human rights' and by whom are they accepted? |
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 1:27:39 GMT
If there is no effective ultimate recourse to an independent of the country court then human rights are seriously compromised.
Which is why so many hard right wing people want to end that ECtHR recourse, they want the state to be able to run roughshod over the rights it ostensibly supports.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 4, 2023 15:35:07 GMT
If there is no effective ultimate recourse to an independent of the country court then human rights are seriously compromised. Which is why so many hard right wing people want to end that ECtHR recourse, they want the state to be able to run roughshod over the rights it ostensibly supports. That makes the assumption that the independent court is indeed effective, is impartial and only concerned with human rights. I am not sure why we should assume that in preference to any government. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 4, 2023 22:24:57 GMT
If there is no effective ultimate recourse to an independent of the country court then human rights are seriously compromised. Which is why so many hard right wing people want to end that ECtHR recourse, they want the state to be able to run roughshod over the rights it ostensibly supports. That makes the assumption that the independent court is indeed effective, is impartial and only concerned with human rights. I am not sure why we should assume that in preference to any government. Because of its track record that's why. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 5, 2023 8:55:41 GMT
That makes the assumption that the independent court is indeed effective, is impartial and only concerned with human rights. I am not sure why we should assume that in preference to any government. Because of its track record that's why. The track record of any final arbiter is always sound until the point it is not. There is no accountability to the electorate of a final arbiter in law which is the problem as it then falls incumbent on that group to provide human rights to all and sundry through a judicial decision and thus sovereignty is lost. Which is where the whole system falls down as human rights obligations actually works against the human rights of any treaty bound populace. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 5, 2023 10:21:44 GMT
Nope. Day to day independence of the judiciary from the electorate is vital in any democracy.
And as I say again, without an effective court to enforce rights, they effectively don't exist. Your wish to remove that court removes rights.
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