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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:10:21 GMT
 Scotland, like England and Wales is just an invention. A way of carving up our shared island. There are lots of other ways. Where is this country britain? I ask you for a map and you offer up a dark age map of anglo saxon and celtic kingdoms , where the majority didnt speak a word of your english language?
must try harder vinny.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 18:11:13 GMT
Scotland conquered England via royalty and we became a United Kingdom through the Stuarts.
James became our shared King.
And as for the past, the civil wars are over.
We're looking to the future, the Commonwealth, the big wide world, not the little EU which we were doing less and less trade with every year.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:11:30 GMT
British identity is objective . You can’t deny it tbh. I don’t have to project British identity at you ..you have to deny it. You can be Scottish when you feel like and British if you feel like it.. Im not british in terms of nat ID , im scottish. Geographically im european and british. Much the same as a norwegian is scandiancavian norwegian and european.
i have two certificates , birth and marriage ,which categorically tell me im scottish .They dont mention british.
I have a passport ( still the red eu one) whci htells me im a british citizen ( thee is no country called britian) and i share that ppassport with many overseas people who have never lived on these islands.
So the only thing british that is projected at me is a travel document , and even then , its debateble that a pieve of paper determines nationality , which to me is a mindset.
Fully agree i think it unfair and you should claim it back.
I believe the westminster elite are the oppressors , and some in each of our countires support them .
You are British . You live in the UK. It’s not a mindset , it’s a fact . Yes the English claiming back their identity might make it easier for them to accept Scottish Independence but it might make us less of a friend . The Westminster elite are based in London. They are the oppressors of us all…not Scotland . |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:11:36 GMT
Scotland, like England and Wales is just an invention. A way of carving up our shared island. There are lots of other ways. your island has never been united in the entire history of humanity prior to 1707. As your map shows...... |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:13:20 GMT
The Scots and the English hated each other before the union. In most of wars and tribulations England prevailed . Not true. Scotland is the only country in these islands that england spectacularly failed to military conquer and retain through right of conquest historically.
That failure more than anyhting , unlike with wales and ireland , was why england had to beg cajole and bribe scotland into the 1707 union.
Oh dear 😀. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:14:04 GMT
Scotland conquered England via royalty and we became a United Kingdom through the Stuarts. James became our shared King. It didnt conquer england . The crown was offered to scotlands king by englands privy council who accepted. He then tried and failed to unite the two kingdoms politically .
You monarch is monarch of many countires that are independent of you and not even on this island.
I dont wish to reatain the monarchy , but if scots do , this isnt an impedence to independence.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:14:54 GMT
Not true. Scotland is the only country in these islands that england spectacularly failed to military conquer and retain through right of conquest historically.
That failure more than anyhting , unlike with wales and ireland , was why england had to beg cajole and bribe scotland into the 1707 union.
Oh dear 😀. Sorry bently have i upset you? perhaps you can show me where what i have said is wrong??
over to you?
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 18:17:38 GMT
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:20:58 GMT
your links all prove that the united kingdom is recognised as a (multi national ) state. I asked you about Britian/great britian. Are you telling me vinny you dont even know the name of your own country you go on about ?
You do realise the uk and gb are seperate entities?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:24:29 GMT
Sorry bently have i upset you? perhaps you can show me where what i have said is wrong??
over to you?
I’ll just file that in the ‘ Egyptian pharaohs were black ‘ file.😀 |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 18:26:11 GMT
Sorry bently have i upset you? perhaps you can show me where what i have said is wrong??
over to you?
I’ll just file that in the ‘ Egyptian pharaohs were black ‘ file.😀 If you cant answer , or dont understand just tell me and we can move on. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:31:50 GMT
your links all prove that the united kingdom is recognised as a (multi national ) state. I asked you about Britian/great britian. Are you telling me vinny you dont even know the name of your own country you go on about ?
You do realise the uk and gb are seperate entities?
Surely you realise that if you have to keep insisting that Scotland is an independent entity , it means in reality it isn’t ? A bit of pedantry over the difference between GB and UK doesn’t change this . Scotland is part of the UK Scotland is part of Great Britain . Scotland is not and independent country . Scotland has been part of the union since 1707 ( I think ). Scotland has always been a minor entity to England since Edward 1st . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:37:26 GMT
I’ll just file that in the ‘ Egyptian pharaohs were black ‘ file.😀 If you cant answer , or dont understand just tell me and we can move on. How could England oppress a country that it couldn’t oppress. ? Scotland has always been a smaller and weaker country than England since Edward 1st. The union wasn’t the result of England begging and pleading ffs. Im not going into a rabbit hole of you posting bullshit and daring me to refute it tbh . Just remember that you are the one wanting to break away from a larger entity . You belong to the weaker side..as it always was. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 18:37:41 GMT
Look can you point to me actually saying the things you allege I said or not? What you imagine I said has no value. read the thread. Are we really going down the he said she said route for you to try and deflect from your points that have been torn apart? You're the one that made and are making accusations you can't back. I'm just pointing out your pathetic failures |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 3, 2022 19:06:44 GMT
Not true. Scotland is the only country in these islands that england spectacularly failed to military conquer and retain through right of conquest historically.
That failure more than anyhting , unlike with wales and ireland , was why england had to beg cajole and bribe scotland into the 1707 union.
Oh dear 😀. The Normans got into Scotland by a Scottish King worrying about being invaded and so allowed the Normans to buy lands in Scotland. It was not scottish strength that deterred them it was Scottish diplomacy. |
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