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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:56:50 GMT
Sad steve you have to resort to such poor wriggling on that hook you are on.
I think the nuance of the discussion and debate between us is clear. Despite not being welsh , having no apparent welsh support , and merely sticking your uninformed oar in as an outsider as you appear to be british , you dont support the welsh fa changing their football teams name to cymru.
I disagree , despite not being welsh.
There we have it.
Look can you point to me actually saying the things you allege I said or not? What you imagine I said has no value. read the thread. Are we really going down the he said she said route for you to try and deflect from your points that have been torn apart? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 14:59:18 GMT
Not quite.
I want the reverse of what Plaid Cymru and the SNP want basically.
Take the process of union which began with the union of the crowns further.
Have a more United Kingdom.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:00:12 GMT
There is no majority in Scotland for "independence" 2m are against it. Less than 1.4m of the 1.6m who voted for it last time are voting SNP. The Union is here to stay. Between out two positions at present there is a political stalemate. Scots dont want amalgamated with england , and dont want to see holyrood or their sport teams go . On the other , we lost a vote 8 years ago.
tell that to ireland. its been 100 years since they left and they havent looked back.
based on current events i wouldnt be so sure.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 15:03:49 GMT
Ireland isn't geographically of this island.
Northern Ireland is an anachronism, but democratically keeps voting to be part of the UK.
Scotland England and Wales are of this island, it makes sense to take the union on the mainland further.
One legal system for all of us on the mainland which supersedes Scottish, English, and Welsh law.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:04:35 GMT
Not quite. I want the reverse of what Plaid Cymru and the SNP want basically. Take the process of union which began with the union of the crowns further. Have a more United Kingdom. you have no majority support for it. In fact majority support is going the other way and has been for decades.
English people in the thread are even telling you they dont support your stance on the united kingdom in sport. One even called it oppressive .
As for he crown , im a republican and always have been for years.I think "the crown" is on a shoogly peg after elizabeths death.
The majority of scots clearly want a united europe and support the EU.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 15:11:10 GMT
So you say, but you've been outvoted.
The SNP aren't getting anywhere near enough votes to challenge the 2m who voted to stay British.
The Welsh aren't even campaigning for a vote on whether to be.
We're British. All of us, even you. Get used to it.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:12:05 GMT
Ireland isn't geographically of this island. Northern Ireland is an anachronism, but democratically keeps voting to be part of the UK. When did it last have a vote , a demcoratic vote , to remain part of the uk? It was carved out undemcoratically in a stitch up 100 years ago , with two of the counties , fermanangh and tyrone nationalist majorites. Most english now regardit as a headache they could do without ,especially as they now have a de facto sinn fein first minister.
humans have lived in these islands for the last 12000 years since the end of the ice age , and only for three hundred of those has this island been centralised , and united . The union is an anti demcortic anomaly in mans history that has been terrible for scots.
unlucky the acts of union preserve scots law .
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:14:09 GMT
So you say, but you've been outvoted. we lost in 2014 , immediatley implemented the result , and now have a mandate to go again.
Can you win next time vinny? scotland wants to rejoin the EU. Choices choices.
..and european vinny.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 3, 2022 15:19:21 GMT
Humans have lived on this land since before it was islands.
No Irish sea or English channel. Just a peninsular on the western edge of Europe.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 3, 2022 15:21:45 GMT
So you say, but you've been outvoted. we lost in 2014 , immediatley implemented the result , and now have a mandate to go again.
Can you win next time vinny? scotland wants to rejoin the EU. Choices choices.
..and european vinny.
Scotland can't rejoin Europe. Scotland was never an EU state. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:27:24 GMT
we lost in 2014 , immediatley implemented the result , and now have a mandate to go again.
Can you win next time vinny? scotland wants to rejoin the EU. Choices choices.
..and european vinny.
Scotland can't rejoin Europe. Scotland was never an EU state. It can rejoin europe . The EU even had an office in edinburgh , and senior eu officials and politicians have already said it can rejoin.
Unionists furious as EU boss indicates indy Scotland can rejoin
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 15:29:29 GMT
After some thought , I don’t see how this could be a problem .
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:31:09 GMT
we lost in 2014 , immediatley implemented the result , and now have a mandate to go again.
Can you win next time vinny? scotland wants to rejoin the EU. Choices choices.
..and european vinny.
. Scotland was never an EU state. despite scotland not being a sovereign state , the peculiarity of the uk in not having a single legal system meant the eu dealt with scotland and scottish law to put many EU laws and diktats into practice .
European Commission Office in Scotland
The Office of the European Commission in Scotland was set up in 1975, and acts as a bridge between the people, politicians, businesses and organisations of Scotland and the departments and personnel of the EU institution based in Brussels.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:31:46 GMT
After some thought , I don’t see how this could be a problem . Neither do i . Apparently some british people do. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 15:34:47 GMT
Humans have lived on this land since before it was islands. No Irish sea or English channel. Just a peninsular on the western edge of Europe. Ok so that reinforces my point even more in terms of timescale .Can you tell me apart from the 1707 union onwards , when it was a politically ethnically and culturally homogenous and united entity?
As i said , the british union is an anti democratic anomaly , rather than the norm , in mans history contrary to what vinny is suggesting.
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