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Post by Pacifico on Aug 24, 2023 17:47:55 GMT
Au contraire - I want us to take in real asylum seekers direct from the worlds trouble-spots in a managed way. Not take in those who have the money to pay to be smuggled in from safe countries. Much of that money belongs to the entire family. Indeed migration should be managed but managed LEGALLY. Why can other countries do it but the UK has to concoct highly dubious methods of dealing with their own problem? Why is the government, despite countless mzntions, refusing to open safe and legal routes while wringing their hands and pretending they care about people drowning? What they really want is to whitewash the population because the right would applaud it. Safe and legal routes would not stop people drowning. You say that other countries manage asylum OK but several in Europe are looking at the same answers as the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 24, 2023 17:49:24 GMT
Au contraire - I want us to take in real asylum seekers direct from the worlds trouble-spots in a managed way. Not take in those who have the money to pay to be smuggled in from safe countries. Much of that money belongs to the entire family. Indeed migration should be managed but managed LEGALLY. Why can other countries do it but the UK has to concoct highly dubious methods of dealing with their own problem? Why is the government, despite countless mzntions, refusing to open safe and legal routes while wringing their hands and pretending they care about people drowning? What they really want is to whitewash the population because the right would applaud it. So the whole family have conspired with criminal traffickers to fir one or more to enter the UK? If that can be proven then none of the family involved should ever be eligible to live in the UK. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 24, 2023 18:27:02 GMT
Why would hundreds of thousands of illegals from France, a safe country, be given asylum? Because asylum seekers choose their destination see2, how delightful to see you back, I doubt you could fully grasp my sense of joy.  Aaanyhoo, pleasantries over. Get a grip you dozy lefty. I mean, how bad is it in the EU if people are desperate enough to risk their lives to claim asylum in England, and the EU allow them to do it! It's perverse. How on earth can you possibly take people seriously who leave a safe country, then travel through several other safe countries, to end up in the safe country of France where they are allowed to pay people traffickers for a place in a cross channel dingy to claim asylum in England. Really! It's the biggest piss take in history. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 7:44:39 GMT
Much of that money belongs to the entire family. Indeed migration should be managed but managed LEGALLY. Why can other countries do it but the UK has to concoct highly dubious methods of dealing with their own problem? Why is the government, despite countless mzntions, refusing to open safe and legal routes while wringing their hands and pretending they care about people drowning? What they really want is to whitewash the population because the right would applaud it. Safe and legal routes would not stop people drowning. You say that other countries manage asylum OK but several in Europe are looking at the same answers as the UK. Dont be stupid. Safe and legal routes means they dont have to use boats. How far down the ranks of reasonable do you have to go just to counter simple logic? I swear if i said rubies are red you would deny it just to try to prove the statement wrong. Can we please stop playing this ridiculous game and have adult discussions? And th4re is nothing to associate that placard which could be from anywherecwirh migration either recently or 25 years ago. It could be referring to MIGRANTS human rights. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 25, 2023 7:49:13 GMT
Safe and legal routes would not stop people drowning. You say that other countries manage asylum OK but several in Europe are looking at the same answers as the UK. Dont be stupid. Safe and legal routes means they dont have to use boats. Unless you count being in the UK as some kind of human right everyone possesses, they don't have to use boats full stop. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 25, 2023 7:50:12 GMT
Dont be stupid. Safe and legal routes means they dont have to use boats. Every year thousands of asylum seekers die trying to cross the Mediterranean in unsafe boats to claim asylum in the EU - the EU's safe and legal routes have not prevented that trade in people. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 7:52:01 GMT
Much of that money belongs to the entire family. Indeed migration should be managed but managed LEGALLY. Why can other countries do it but the UK has to concoct highly dubious methods of dealing with their own problem? Why is the government, despite countless mzntions, refusing to open safe and legal routes while wringing their hands and pretending they care about people drowning? What they really want is to whitewash the population because the right would applaud it. So the whole family have conspired with criminal traffickers to fir one or more to enter the UK? If that can be proven then none of the family involved should ever be eligible to live in the UK. The whole family conspires to prevent further atrocities. And asylum seekers are not illegals. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 7:55:25 GMT
Dont be stupid. Safe and legal routes means they dont have to use boats. Every year thousands of asylum seekers die trying to cross the Mediterranean in unsafe boats to claim asylum in the EU - the EU's safe and legal routes have not prevented that trade in people. THERE ARE NO SAFE AND LEGAL ROUTES FOR SYRIANS, AFGHANIS , SOMALIANS, ETHIOPIANS OR SUDANESE. For gods sake read the UK entry regulations. This has been explained in the news and features countless times. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 25, 2023 7:58:25 GMT
Every year thousands of asylum seekers die trying to cross the Mediterranean in unsafe boats to claim asylum in the EU - the EU's safe and legal routes have not prevented that trade in people. THERE ARE NO SAFE AND LEGAL ROUTES FOR SYRIANS, AFGHANIS , SOMALIANS, ETHIOPIANS OR SUDANESE. For gods sake read the UK entry regulations. This has been explained in the news and features countless times. Very unfair then, no borders or borders make a choice, it is the future in jeopardy. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 8:07:28 GMT
Makes no sense.
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Post by Orac on Aug 25, 2023 8:08:07 GMT
Every year thousands of asylum seekers die trying to cross the Mediterranean in unsafe boats to claim asylum in the EU - the EU's safe and legal routes have not prevented that trade in people. THERE ARE NO SAFE AND LEGAL ROUTES FOR SYRIANS, AFGHANIS , SOMALIANS, ETHIOPIANS OR SUDANESE. For gods sake read the UK entry regulations. This has been explained in the news and features countless times. Are you talking about Europe here, or the UK? Pac refereed to the Mediterranean |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 8:09:45 GMT
The context of the point in question was once again the migration of people in boats to the UK.
Please keep up.
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Post by Orac on Aug 25, 2023 8:11:57 GMT
The context of the point in question was once again the migration of people in boats to the UK. Please keep up. Pac made the point that large numbers of people cross the Mediterranean irregularly regardless of the legal routes. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 25, 2023 8:14:57 GMT
The context of the point in question was once again the migration of people in boats to the UK. Please keep up. Which you found a need for because certain groups are excluded from a borderless world, so make a choice either you just don't have borders and you create a worst place for everyone else or you have control over borders and take control over the future and not leave it to some sort of chance. It seems you are more than happy to take the chance of it will all work out ok in the end. Which if anything the last few decades should have taught you it won't work out for the better. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 8:17:16 GMT
Run that by me again...
"Certain groups are excluded from a borderless world."
Think about that.
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