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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 19, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
Under which jurisdiction? We should be stopping illegals entering British territorial waters. [That doesn't answer my question, unless you meant to quote someone else? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 11:12:21 GMT
We should be stopping illegals entering British territorial waters. [That doesn't answer my question, unless you meant to quote someone else? If Sunak grew a pair and stopped illegals entering British territorial waters, and he could, your question would be rather pointless. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:32:10 GMT
Under which jurisdiction? We should be stopping illegals entering British territorial waters. Indeed. Brexit leaders promised you would. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:34:36 GMT
[That doesn't answer my question, unless you meant to quote someone else? If Sunak grew a pair and stopped illegals entering British territorial waters, and he could, your question would be rather pointless. How could he do that? Though i agree that it is a handy populist issue thrown around to distract you from the disgraceful state of the nation. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 11:39:30 GMT
We should be stopping illegals entering British territorial waters. Indeed. Brexit leaders promised you would. Ahhh thank heavens for that, we're saved. Oracle the font of knowledge has arrived, lol. Oracle my dear deluded pro EU lefty friend, can you point out 'anything' to support your claim that Brexit leaders promised illegals would be stopped from entering British territorial waters? I shall refrain from holding my breath. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 19, 2023 11:39:47 GMT
If Sunak grew a pair and stopped illegals entering British territorial waters, and he could, your question would be rather pointless. How could he do that? Presumably the same way as the EU |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 11:41:55 GMT
If Sunak grew a pair and stopped illegals entering British territorial waters, and he could, your question would be rather pointless. How could he do that? Though i agree that it is a handy populist issue thrown around to distract you from the disgraceful state of the nation. He could do it by force, by enacting UN law, as Australia did. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:43:58 GMT
Indeed. Brexit leaders promised you would. Ahhh thank heavens for that, we're saved. Oracle the font of knowledge has arrived, lol. Oracle my dear deluded pro EU lefty friend, can you point out 'anything' to support your claim that Brexit leaders promised illegals would be stopped from entering British territorial waters? I shall refrain from holding my breath. You are aging quickly. Remember the WE WILL PROTECT OUR OWN BORDERS led by Farage holding a poster he totally misrepresented, plus the lying frightner that most of Turkey will be moving to the UK. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:47:06 GMT
How could he do that? Though i agree that it is a handy populist issue thrown around to distract you from the disgraceful state of the nation. He could do it by force, by enacting UN law, as Australia did. Have you read the UNHCR Dublin agreement of 1999, now reinterpreted by the EU very recently, building on Dublin 3. So what part of that or those laws should the UK enact? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 11:50:52 GMT
Ahhh thank heavens for that, we're saved. Oracle the font of knowledge has arrived, lol. Oracle my dear deluded pro EU lefty friend, can you point out 'anything' to support your claim that Brexit leaders promised illegals would be stopped from entering British territorial waters? I shall refrain from holding my breath. You are aging quickly. Remember the WE WILL PROTECT OUR OWN BORDERS led by Farage holding a poster he totally misrepresented, plus the lying frightner that most of Turkey will be moving to the UK. Farage is not the prime minister, and sadly Sunak seems to be frightened of upsetting the EU. But with an election rapidly approaching that may change. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 11:53:55 GMT
He could do it by force, by enacting UN law, as Australia did. Have you read the UNHCR Dublin agreement of 1999, now reinterpreted by the EU very recently, building on Dublin 3. So what part of that or those laws should the UK enact? EU law may trump national law in EU states, but it does not trump international law and international law clearly sets out that any country with a sea border can stop any person or vessel entering it's territorial waters, as Australia did when they were faced with an illegal immigrant invasion. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) linkArticle 33: Contigus zone. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea;
(b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea.
2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. Lefties may not like it, but the fact is if Sunak stopped illegals entering UK waters, by force if necessary, the law would be on his side. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 12:06:30 GMT
You are aging quickly. Remember the WE WILL PROTECT OUR OWN BORDERS led by Farage holding a poster he totally misrepresented, plus the lying frightner that most of Turkey will be moving to the UK. Farage is not the prime minister, and sadly Sunak seems to be frightened of upsetting the EU. But with an election rapidly approaching that may change. I didnt say he was. I spoke of Brexit leaders...the disillusioned illuminaries who forgot to tell you that if you voted to leave, you would be voting against one of their own reasons to leave. You already had what you were promised...the capacity to redistribute rhe ligrants who arrived to your shores. The EU has recently fortified that capacity. Without you. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 12:12:55 GMT
Have you read the UNHCR Dublin agreement of 1999, now reinterpreted by the EU very recently, building on Dublin 3. So what part of that or those laws should the UK enact? EU law may trump national law in EU states, but it does not trump international law and international law clearly sets out that any country with a sea border can stop any person or vessel entering it's territorial waters, as Australia did when they were faced with an illegal immigrant invasion. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) linkArticle 33: Contigus zone. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea;
(b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea.
2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. Lefties may not like it, but the fact is if Sunak stopped illegals entering UK waters, by force if necessary, the law would be on his side. Then get in and do it!! And stop begging France to help you. And then blaming France for not doing what is in YOUR interest. It is quite apparent that the Home Office has given up tryinng to stop them ctossing the Channel and is now desperately trying to decide what to do with them. But there have been constructive sugg4stions luke process them in France or set a time limit for procesding which the government totally ignores. I have suggested why. It is a handy populist backscratcher to generate dislike for Europe and disyract from their own failure to run the country. All those huge visionary promis4s, something for everyone, Willie Wonka's cvocolate shop, just open the door ans your future is glorious...now of course it is clear it was a huge lie but they need someone to blame. AND LO, IT IS STILL THE DASTARDLY EU! Now that Law of the Sea is about your sea borders. The original Dublin agreement was from the UNHCR and was about the recognition, treatment and dispersal particularly of migrants across the world. Apples and pears. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 12:17:30 GMT
Farage is not the prime minister, and sadly Sunak seems to be frightened of upsetting the EU. But with an election rapidly approaching that may change. I didnt say he was. I spoke of Brexit leaders...the disillusioned illuminaries who forgot to tell you that if you voted to leave, you would be voting against one of their own reasons to leave. You already had what you were promised...the capacity to redistribute rhe ligrants who arrived to your shores. The EU has recently fortified that capacity. Without you. I'm not sure what your point is, indeed, do you have a point? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 19, 2023 12:19:39 GMT
EU law may trump national law in EU states, but it does not trump international law and international law clearly sets out that any country with a sea border can stop any person or vessel entering it's territorial waters, as Australia did when they were faced with an illegal immigrant invasion. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) linkArticle 33: Contigus zone. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea;
(b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea.
2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. Lefties may not like it, but the fact is if Sunak stopped illegals entering UK waters, by force if necessary, the law would be on his side. Then get in and do it!! And stop begging France to help you. Now that Law of the Sea is about your sea borders. The original Dublin agreement was from the UNHCR and was about the recognition, treatment and dispersal particularly of migrants across the world. Apples and pears. FFS woman, are you incapable of reading English? I have said many times, and will say again, Sunak wont enforce international law because in my opinion he is frightened of upsetting the EU. But with an election looming that may change, we live in hope. |
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