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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 15, 2023 8:25:12 GMT
I don't normally comment on politics north of the border but a report today in the Times states that the 2021 census which was actually held in 2022 cost £25 per person for its 5.5 million people, compared to £8 a person for the 59.6 million people in England and Wales.
Even then the level of returns was so low at 79% that the census data would have been borderline unusable, so the Scottish government aka the SNP elected to extended the survey period at the cost of a further £6 million. Even then the return rate only only reached 89%, compared to 97% in the rest of the UK.
Remind us again why Scotland had to hold its own census, and why it had to do it a year later than everybody else. William Rennie MSP suggests it was down to “nationalistic belligerence.”
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Post by om15 on Aug 15, 2023 10:10:56 GMT
That was all part of the delusional and mad Sturgeon regime that tried to pretend that Scotland was not part of the UK, that it was a European world leader super power that had outgrown the Union and was far more important and superior than somewhere that needed to be in the UK census.
It didn't work, cost a fortune and failed to convince anyone, all part of the formula that has made current Scotland what it is today.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2023 11:47:19 GMT
All a plot by MI5 to make the SNP look bad...  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2023 19:15:01 GMT
I thought that Sturgeon used the "because of covid" excuse, as Westminster had decided that it would not increase the threat. The Mayor of Scotland decided she knew better, as she was always trying to be more severe with Covid lockdown measure.
She must have thought it made her look strong. Maybe she did for a while, but she's as weak as a kitten now!
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Post by morayloon on Aug 15, 2023 22:26:40 GMT
That was all part of the delusional and mad Sturgeon regime that tried to pretend that Scotland was not part of the UK, that it was a European world leader super power that had outgrown the Union and was far more important and superior than somewhere that needed to be in the UK census. It didn't work, cost a fortune and failed to convince anyone, all part of the formula that has made current Scotland what it is today. Talking bollocks again!!! The Scottish Census has always been separate. The only difference this time round was that Scot Gov felt it was unsafe to carry it out in 2021. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 16, 2023 5:45:56 GMT
That was all part of the delusional and mad Sturgeon regime that tried to pretend that Scotland was not part of the UK, that it was a European world leader super power that had outgrown the Union and was far more important and superior than somewhere that needed to be in the UK census. It didn't work, cost a fortune and failed to convince anyone, all part of the formula that has made current Scotland what it is today. Talking bollocks again!!! The Scottish Census has always been separate. The only difference this time round was that Scot Gov felt it was unsafe to carry it out in 2021. Hello fellow BRIT.... |
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Post by morayloon on Aug 16, 2023 8:05:48 GMT
All a plot by MI5 to make the SNP look bad... Don't you understand the nature of the organisation? It is about national security and, where the state sees a threat to that security it acts. The YES movement is all about breaking up the state and it commands the support of around half of the electorate. Go figure. Whether you like it or not, the party is still the most popular in the country. And, although its support has dropped, the same cannot be said of support for Independence. That little fact must be driving the Brit Nats, and their 'intelligence' forces, mad. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 16, 2023 8:19:11 GMT
Talking bollocks again!!! The Scottish Census has always been separate. The only difference this time round was that Scot Gov felt it was unsafe to carry it out in 2021. Since almost 90% of returns in 2021 were completed online what was unsafe about it?
Anyway still unclear why Scotland needs to perform its own census. What is the rationale for that?
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Post by om15 on Aug 16, 2023 8:32:59 GMT
Hardly.
Tell us, when exactly do you intend to be independent? It has been all talk so far and nothing else, are you ever going to do anything about it?
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Post by thomas on Aug 17, 2023 6:09:34 GMT
Talking bollocks again!!! The Scottish Census has always been separate. The only difference this time round was that Scot Gov felt it was unsafe to carry it out in 2021.
Anyway still unclear why Scotland needs to perform its own census. What is the rationale for that?
...because scotland is a country dan. Like all countires , a census is important to its governing elite to make decisions based on the data collected.
One of , if not the oldest census in these islands is the scottish "senchus fer n -alban" carried out over a thousand years ago describing the geneology of scotlands kings and landholdings etc.
To answer your question of why , you need to go back to the treaty of union. Scotlands church , education and legal system was to remain seperate from englands , and church of scotland ministers kept many of the records and data that would eventually make up a large part of the census when it was officially brought in by the british government in the nineteenth century.
In the mid nineteenth century , the general registrar of scotland was set up to take over from the church of scotland to keep records and administer the census of scotland , and then the scottish devolved parliament took control from 2001 under legisaltion set out by the labour party.
So as morayloon has told you , since its inception , more or less , the scottish census has always been seperate from englands in terms of who ran it , processed the data and the legisaltion behind it , but it was held at the same time in typical westminster sleight of hand to give people like you the impression of a one uk nation census , hence why im sure you are asking the question.
Ireland / then later northern ireland also conducted its census seperate from england and wales.
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Post by thomas on Aug 17, 2023 6:11:42 GMT
Talking bollocks again!!! The Scottish Census has always been separate. The only difference this time round was that Scot Gov felt it was unsafe to carry it out in 2021. Hello fellow BRIT.... we cant be jonsky. Under my mate pacificos "tony blair nationality rule" , morayloon , myself and tony are all scottish. Im so glad my mate pacifico has seen the light.  |
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Post by thomas on Aug 17, 2023 6:20:15 GMT
That was all part of the delusional and mad Sturgeon regime that tried to pretend that Scotland was not part of the UK, that it was a European world leader super power that had outgrown the Union and was far more important and superior than somewhere that needed to be in the UK census. It didn't work, cost a fortune and failed to convince anyone, all part of the formula that has made current Scotland what it is today. honestly om , sometimes it beggers belief someone so committed to your country of "bwitain" knows so fucking little about it.
Put down the torygraph , go to a library mate and get a history book , and sit down later with a glass of your favourite tipple and do some learning instead of constantly wailing bitterness on these politics forums about a multi national state you clearly dont understand.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 17, 2023 6:30:36 GMT
we cant be jonsky. Under my mate pacificos "tony blair nationality rule" , morayloon , myself and tony are all scottish. Im so glad my mate pacifico has seen the light. You are all BRITISH....So suck it up and enjoy. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 17, 2023 7:18:38 GMT
I think what Thomas is saying is that some time in the 19th century the British government decided to go along with the polite fiction that Scotland was a proper country that needed to have things like its own census and that the same 'logic' has been applied ever since. Perhaps as long as whoever did the counting in Scotland conducted the census in the same manner as the rest of the UK, and on the same timetable, it would be a simple matter to add the two totals together. By going along with this Scottish amour propre would not be damaged and the fiction could continue.
This was all very well until the SNP came along and buggered things up to the extent that we still don't know what the actual population of the country is and how it is broken down.
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Post by thomas on Aug 17, 2023 15:14:54 GMT
I think what Thomas is saying is that some time in the 19th century the British government decided to go along with the polite fiction that Scotland was a proper country that needed to have things like its own census and that the same 'logic' has been applied ever since.. You can interpret it that way if it makes you feel more comfortable dan. Im simply politely answering your confused questions. Perhaps a better way of explaining it was the englishmans fiction that the uk is really just greater england , and the scots irish and welsh just regional englishmen in denial is once again shown for the fantasy what it is.
It wasnt just scotland dan . It was ireland/ northern ireland as well. I suppose another big issue for the average englishman in his confusion about the yookay is of course the relationship wales has with england. Wales is legally part of england , while scotland and ireland were never.
Apart from what ive earlier explained , its also why there is no such thing as a uk birth certificate. Scotland and irealdn/northern ireland issue our own , while you have an english and welsh birth certificate. Anther oddity of the yookay one nation greater englandshire that is unique .
well the counting and collecting of info was done different as we explained dan , and on occassion jsut to ruffle your feathers it was done on a different timetable. How dare those uppity regionals do things different from englandshire. thats simply just not cricket is it?
Imagine the french did their census at the same time as englandshires. It could further embolden the english monarchs "amour propre" as the duke of normandy , and bring another nation under the collective mass delusion of englands ownership .
we do mate. Once again though , a new dawn , another tory outrage about the natives in the colonies. I must say though , on the day the tories have to announce another disaster ,this time in english tory controlled education where the a level results have suffered their biggest drop in history , coupled with the migration disaster , doctors striking , health service disaster in england , lack of police , and much more , it certainly look like you have enough problems on your hands without worrying about other peoples countires.
Do you think the anglo tories are trying their damndest to get booted out of power or something?
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