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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 8:11:42 GMT
The people were duped. They fell for the scam. Same scam the Tories tried to get the NHS partly privatised. Starve it of funds, get cheats to lie about the figures so it looks like they haven't. Watch it crumble (literally) Then say we really must do something. Now the people have seen what the privatised water companies have done to their water, they are wised up. Its taken years and maybe irreversible, but at least they see it now. We had 40 years of nationalised railways under administrations comprised of all 3 major Parties - I think by the end of that the people had some idea of what nationalism entailed and were far from duped. We've had 70 years of health care I think by the end of that the people had some idea of what nationalism entailed and were far from duped. Our railways are shite. Its cheaper to fly to Edinburgh than get a train. There is no competition the lines are dealt out to individual companies. More cartels. Private industry is disastrous without competition, its why we have a monopolies commission. Where have I said the railways were a Tory scam? Anyway most parts of British rail were sold off under Thatcher in the 80's And. It was under Thatcher's successor John Major that the railways themselves were privatised, using the Railways Act 1993. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 11:09:47 GMT
Private industry is disastrous without competition, its why we have a monopolies commission. Again - it's nothing to do with them being private or owned by the State - all monopolies are bad for the consumer. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 13:04:42 GMT
Private industry is disastrous without competition, its why we have a monopolies commission. Again - it's nothing to do with them being private or owned by the State - all monopolies are bad for the consumer. I disagree. Nationalised industries are not profit making, they have a different remit. Essential services should never be owned by private individuals without any competition. |
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 26, 2023 13:30:06 GMT
Yes I would. My suggestion is that the first 4 or 5 kWh are subsidised and paid for by raising the cost of the rest. I don't like living in a country with an obscene wealth gap where a pensioner sits in his lounge with no heating in the middle of winter. Wait what... you do realise that automatically penalises the poor and eldery because they are less energy efficient? lol. I live in a mega insulated new build, I've got solar panels, and my appliances are all A rated... so you just made my energy bill cheaper... with a household income of £120k lol. BTW you are wrong on water too. The drinking water is better since privatisation. We have a quarter less leaks. The rivers are cleaner. We now invest more per year than ANYBODY ELSE IN EUROPE. We have a massive problem with sewage release, but that has fuck all to do with privatisation. That is because a £600b legacy problem has been allowed to build up over a hundred years, combined with John Major & Tony Blair allowing 6 million EU nationals, plus millions of foreign students (and their families) into the country with no extra money for infrastructure. Then add climate change which is increasing the frequency of heavy rainfall. Pray tell how nationalisation is going to solve the £600b problem? |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 15:24:49 GMT
Wait what... you do realise that automatically penalises the poor and eldery because they are less energy efficient? lol. I live in a mega insulated new build, I've got solar panels, and my appliances are all A rated... so you just made my energy bill cheaper... with a household income of £120k lol. Don't talk nonsense. The poor even if they're elderly use far less energy than the rich. You may live in a future house, so do I but with a heated swimming pool and a gym and 5 reception rooms with every gadget going, along with the beautifully lit garden I assure you the rich use far more power than the guy trying to live in the one room he can afford to keep warm. No we just don't record them. Can you not get the news. Add to this the special permission our private water companies have to dump sewage in our rivers every time it rains without calling it a spill. I do agree the nationalised water companies were starved of funds until it build up a massive legacy problem. In order to convince people that only privatisation would solve it. And guess what! The year after privatisation the new water companies were allowed to raise prices by a staggering 20%. Ooh wow. How much better would the national water companies have done with a 20% increase in budget. Why limit it to Major and Blair, its still happening. Its to grow the economy don't you know, so that last years government overspend can be paid for by this years influx of fresh young souls. Trouble is its a Ponzi scheme as has to be repeated every year. And all because we're to stupid to realise we can't have all the goodies with paying more tax. Add to that the sickening wealth gap in this country and you might get close to understanding the problem. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 17:12:58 GMT
Again - it's nothing to do with them being private or owned by the State - all monopolies are bad for the consumer. I disagree. Nationalised industries are not profit making, they have a different remit. Essential services should never be owned by private individuals without any competition. Name a State monopoly that provides good customer service.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 17:19:22 GMT
I do agree the nationalised water companies were starved of funds until it build up a massive legacy problem. In order to convince people that only privatisation would solve it. And guess what! The year after privatisation the new water companies were allowed to raise prices by a staggering 20%. Ooh wow. How much better would the national water companies have done with a 20% increase in budget. They were starved of funds because that is what State Monopolies do. Politicians of all stripes (before you start playing partisan politics) only look short term to the next election - so if they have money available for spending it is going to go on things like tax cuts, higher welfare handouts, more pay for nurses etc etc. Trying to get extra spending for investment that the electorate is not going to notice for another 10 to 20 years long after the politicians of today are out of office is incredibly difficult. This rather weird obsession with privatisation overlooks the rather inconvenient fact that the Water services in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were never privatised - and all are in the same boat with the same issues as the companies in England. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 18:45:59 GMT
I disagree. Nationalised industries are not profit making, they have a different remit. Essential services should never be owned by private individuals without any competition. Name a State monopoly that provides good customer service.. Name one that hasn't had its funding cut. The NHS provided a very good service under new Labour. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 18:54:33 GMT
I do agree the nationalised water companies were starved of funds until it build up a massive legacy problem. In order to convince people that only privatisation would solve it. And guess what! The year after privatisation the new water companies were allowed to raise prices by a staggering 20%. Ooh wow. How much better would the national water companies have done with a 20% increase in budget. Politicians of all stripes (before you start playing partisan politics) only look short term to the next election - so if they have money available for spending it is going to go on things like tax cuts, higher welfare handouts, more pay for nurses etc etc. Trying to get extra spending for investment that the electorate is not going to notice for another 10 to 20 years long after the politicians of today are out of office is incredibly difficult. This rather weird obsession with privatisation overlooks the rather inconvenient fact that the Water services in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were never privatised - and all are in the same boat with the same issues as the companies in England. So you keep saying. Doesn't make it right, nor does it make privatisation the answer. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 26, 2023 18:56:23 GMT
Again - it's nothing to do with them being private or owned by the State - all monopolies are bad for the consumer. I disagree. Nationalised industries are not profit making, they have a different remit. Essential services should never be owned by private individuals without any competition. Amen to that |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 26, 2023 19:00:00 GMT
I do agree the nationalised water companies were starved of funds until it build up a massive legacy problem. In order to convince people that only privatisation would solve it. And guess what! The year after privatisation the new water companies were allowed to raise prices by a staggering 20%. Ooh wow. How much better would the national water companies have done with a 20% increase in budget. They were starved of funds because that is what State Monopolies do. Politicians of all stripes (before you start playing partisan politics) only look short term to the next election - so if they have money available for spending it is going to go on things like tax cuts, higher welfare handouts, more pay for nurses etc etc. Trying to get extra spending for investment that the electorate is not going to notice for another 10 to 20 years long after the politicians of today are out of office is incredibly difficult. This rather weird obsession with privatisation overlooks the rather inconvenient fact that the Water services in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were never privatised - and all are in the same boat with the same issues as the companies in England. Got that right short termism the blight on essential services. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:00:07 GMT
Name a State monopoly that provides good customer service.. Name one that hasn't had its funding cut. The NHS provided a very good service under new Labour. It didn't. The NHS is Labour's football, so when they're in power they hush up about it. Overpriced private contractors replaced areas of the Trust whilst the political pen pushers got even richer. The situation as it stands today is directly related, because it lacks the reform that it needs. It was never a good service, but it's better than nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:03:26 GMT
I disagree. Nationalised industries are not profit making, they have a different remit. Essential services should never be owned by private individuals without any competition. Amen to that But a privately owned is open to competition, so long as we function within satisfactory laws that keep things competitive. The decadent public sector doesn't need to be competitive. It makes money on failure. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 26, 2023 19:08:58 GMT
But a privately owned is open to competition, so long as we function within satisfactory laws that keep things competitive. The decadent public sector doesn't need to be competitive. It makes money on failure. No competition on water and the energy sector is a false competition sector. As I’ve said why not look at an updated version of a mutual for the essential utilities? |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 26, 2023 19:09:17 GMT
Name one that hasn't had its funding cut. The NHS provided a very good service under new Labour. It didn't. The NHS is Labour's football, so when they're in power they hush up about it. Overpriced private contractors replaced areas of the Trust whilst the political pen pushers got even richer. The situation as it stands today is directly related, because it lacks the reform that it needs. It was never a good service, but it's better than nothing. Patient satisfaction disagreed with you |
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