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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 6:43:02 GMT
In less than a fortnight, Ofgem’s chief executive will set the price that 29m households will pay for their gas and electricity this winter – but Jonathan Brearley appears unconvinced that the energy price cap is the best way to help hard-pressed bill payers. In what could herald a shake-up of Britain’s energy market, Brearley is calling on ministers to rethink whether the “very broad and crude” price control used to keep bills in check for the past four years is still fit for purpose in a market upended by the energy crisis. Read more: www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/14/change-needed-ofgem-chief-rethink-energy-price-capsHighlights for me. 15 years to get current renewable energy suppliers connected to the grid. 15 YEARS! Still nothing to mitigate the effect on the poorest. My suggestion is a lower tariff for the first 4kwh a household uses in each day and then increased tariffs after that. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 14, 2023 6:55:27 GMT
In less than a fortnight, Ofgem’s chief executive will set the price that 29m households will pay for their gas and electricity this winter – but Jonathan Brearley appears unconvinced that the energy price cap is the best way to help hard-pressed bill payers. In what could herald a shake-up of Britain’s energy market, Brearley is calling on ministers to rethink whether the “very broad and crude” price control used to keep bills in check for the past four years is still fit for purpose in a market upended by the energy crisis. Read more: www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/14/change-needed-ofgem-chief-rethink-energy-price-capsHighlights for me. 15 years to get current renewable energy suppliers connected to the grid. 15 YEARS! Still nothing to mitigate the effect on the poorest. My suggestion is a lower tariff for the first 4kwh a household uses in each day and then increased tariffs after that. the uk energy market? What energy market zany? I havent been able to access any sort of market now for over a year , with providers still not taking on new customers who want to change , and their inability to offer any competitive prices.
Anther tory party disaster , coupled with constant short sightedness has left the uk vulnerable as hell. My monthly price was treble what our original price was prior to the energy crises , and is still over double with the same provider despite using much less dual fuel each month for this year compared to last.
Someone needs to buy the tories a dictionary and help them to understand the principle behind a market.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2023 8:45:59 GMT
In less than a fortnight, Ofgem’s chief executive will set the price that 29m households will pay for their gas and electricity this winter – but Jonathan Brearley appears unconvinced that the energy price cap is the best way to help hard-pressed bill payers. In what could herald a shake-up of Britain’s energy market, Brearley is calling on ministers to rethink whether the “very broad and crude” price control used to keep bills in check for the past four years is still fit for purpose in a market upended by the energy crisis. Read more: www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/14/change-needed-ofgem-chief-rethink-energy-price-capsHighlights for me. 15 years to get current renewable energy suppliers connected to the grid. 15 YEARS! Still nothing to mitigate the effect on the poorest. My suggestion is a lower tariff for the first 4kwh a household uses in each day and then increased tariffs after that. the uk energy market? What energy market zany? I havent been able to access any sort of market now for over a year , with providers still not taking on new customers who want to change , and their inability to offer any competitive prices.
Anther tory party disaster , coupled with constant short sightedness has left the uk vulnerable as hell. My monthly price was treble what our original price was prior to the energy crises , and is still over double with the same provider despite using much less dual fuel each month for this year compared to last.
Someone needs to buy the tories a dictionary and help them to understand the principle behind a market.
Absolutely,competition in what? Who can be the biggest con merchant in a sector that produces nothing but constant reminders to have a smart meter that are as smart as the original idea to create this mess and bills often unintelligible whilst they dip in to your bank account on a regular and increasing basis and as in the past offer amazing deals then run off with the loot so another of these geniuses will only take on the customers if they’re bribed to do so all paid for by us mugs. Renationalise the lot because it was never as bad as this and if that’s unpalatable to the Tory faithful the least they could do is regional operated mutuals where those that pay the piper dictate the tune with a guarantee it can never be sold. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 17:58:49 GMT
In less than a fortnight, Ofgem’s chief executive will set the price that 29m households will pay for their gas and electricity this winter – but Jonathan Brearley appears unconvinced that the energy price cap is the best way to help hard-pressed bill payers. In what could herald a shake-up of Britain’s energy market, Brearley is calling on ministers to rethink whether the “very broad and crude” price control used to keep bills in check for the past four years is still fit for purpose in a market upended by the energy crisis. Read more: www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/14/change-needed-ofgem-chief-rethink-energy-price-capsHighlights for me. 15 years to get current renewable energy suppliers connected to the grid. 15 YEARS! Still nothing to mitigate the effect on the poorest. My suggestion is a lower tariff for the first 4kwh a household uses in each day and then increased tariffs after that. the uk energy market? What energy market zany? I havent been able to access any sort of market now for over a year , with providers still not taking on new customers who want to change , and their inability to offer any competitive prices.
Anther tory party disaster , coupled with constant short sightedness has left the uk vulnerable as hell. My monthly price was treble what our original price was prior to the energy crises , and is still over double with the same provider despite using much less dual fuel each month for this year compared to last.
Someone needs to buy the tories a dictionary and help them to understand the principle behind a market.
I'm not sure an essential like electricity should be open to the market. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2023 18:22:12 GMT
And it’s not just domestic users it gets worse as energy companies make secret payments to brokers and rip-off businesses by making them pay,they then use lawyers to stop said businesses finding out. Just watching the tv news and this came up, the energy company spokesman lied through their teeth blamed the odd rogue broker and lied again that it was a problem for the regulator with full knowledge that the regulator does not cover commercial energy. Renationalise this failed privatisation along with the water companies.. inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/energy-firms-paid-brokers-secret-commissions-2144324 |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 14, 2023 19:30:15 GMT
And it’s not just domestic users it gets worse as energy companies make secret payments to brokers and rip-off businesses by making them pay,they then use lawyers to stop said businesses finding out. Just watching the tv news and this came up, the energy company spokesman lied through their teeth blamed the odd rogue broker and lied again that it was a problem for the regulator with full knowledge that the regulator does not cover commercial energy. Renationalise this failed privatisation along with the water companies.. inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/energy-firms-paid-brokers-secret-commissions-2144324Its just disgusting. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 14, 2023 21:32:29 GMT
Who are you going to re-nationalise and what difference are you expecting that to make?
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Post by wapentake on Aug 14, 2023 22:23:24 GMT
Who are you going to re-nationalise and what difference are you expecting that to make? Ah Pacifico how did I know you’d pop up to defend these crooks  That’s because you always do. The difference?No crooked middlemen and restore a modernised version of the electric boards, investment to ensure energy security woefully neglected by all administrations for decades. I even said they could be mutuals to placate tories like you who still believe all Saint Maggies privatisations were the equivalent of god handing down the Ten Commandments to Moses holy and sacrosanct when in fact many are nothing but a disaster. Wasting my time I know because you’ll never see it much like your avatar Alf.  What genius to self off essential utilities then bought up by state owned companies of our European neighbours,you do know the customers of edf in France are charged less than Brits,gross negligence and stupidity by our masters in Westminster neglecting our interests. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 15, 2023 6:29:02 GMT
the uk energy market? What energy market zany? I havent been able to access any sort of market now for over a year , with providers still not taking on new customers who want to change , and their inability to offer any competitive prices.
Anther tory party disaster , coupled with constant short sightedness has left the uk vulnerable as hell. My monthly price was treble what our original price was prior to the energy crises , and is still over double with the same provider despite using much less dual fuel each month for this year compared to last.
Someone needs to buy the tories a dictionary and help them to understand the principle behind a market.
I'm not sure an essential like electricity should be open to the market. neither am i. The point is the tories or anyone else talking about the "energy market".........shouldnt they change the word market for "scam" or "con "?
Keir starmer doesnt agree with us though regarding energy on some farce of a so called market.
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Post by thomas on Aug 15, 2023 6:30:02 GMT
Who are you going to re-nationalise and what difference are you expecting that to make? Ah Pacifico how did I know you’d pop up to defend these crooks That’s because you always do. told him that myself on numerous threads , and all you get is the bleating "im not a tory" or some other such swerve. Glad it isnt just me seeing it on a daily basis from tory boy.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2023 7:08:02 GMT
Who are you going to re-nationalise and what difference are you expecting that to make? Ah Pacifico how did I know you’d pop up to defend these crooks That’s because you always do. The difference?No crooked middlemen and restore a modernised version of the electric boards, investment to ensure energy security woefully neglected by all administrations for decades. I even said they could be mutuals to placate tories like you who still believe all Saint Maggies privatisations were the equivalent of god handing down the Ten Commandments to Moses holy and sacrosanct when in fact many are nothing but a disaster. Wasting my time I know because you’ll never see it much like your avatar Alf. What genius to self off essential utilities then bought up by state owned companies of our European neighbours,you do know the customers of edf in France are charged less than Brits,gross negligence and stupidity by our masters in Westminster neglecting our interests. Well there are a lot of words but no answers to the question. Lets stick to specifics - would you nationalise Shell?. If so where is the $400 Billion coming from?. Add in BP - thats another $300 Billion. You have spent an awful lot of money that you dont have. Or are you just going to nationalise the energy distributors like Centrica - which would cost about $30 Billion for each one (there are 6). Of course you would then get the profits from that investment - this year Centrica made a healthy profit, last year they lost money.. That you cannot articulate what differences you would expect to see for all this expense kinda indicates that it would be an exercise in futility. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 15, 2023 7:56:30 GMT
Who are you going to re-nationalise and what difference are you expecting that to make? well … we could start with scrapping the New Electricity Trading Arrangements that turned energy supply from a supply industry into a bloody lottery and speculators paradise. I know, because i was paid to test the system, that Maggie brought in a mechanism where every energy supplier was required to predict, shylock style, a year in advance, exactly how many kilowatts they would need in each half hour of each day. And just as Portia cautioned Shylock, taking mire or less than exactly one pound of flesh had huge consequences. If the company said a year they wanted twenty thousand units between 01:00 and 01:30 tomorrow and they find not enough light bulbs are turned on sobthey only need 19,999 they are fined so heavily it’s untrue. They have to pay a huge surcharge to the grid to find a buyer for that unit at a tenth the price and meet the full cost plus the surcharge Similarly if they want 20,001 they end up paying five to ten times mire for that last 1 than the first 20,000 The companies were forced into setting up ‘trading arrangements’ to buy and sell as speculators. Yorkshire Electric told Blue Circle Cement they could have free electric fir their stone crushing plant IF they let Yorkshire electric run it. And so if the people of yorkshire under used the juice it was sold to the network if they had a mug to oay for it, or used to crush stone, and if the customers used too much, no stone was crushed. Maggie turned a comoany that should have been concerned with creating and distributing power into a company that spent half its time working out when to make limestone dust for a cement works and the other half working out how best to crucify ither comoznies fir their unsuccessful speculations It is wrong. And it should be eradicated |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 15, 2023 8:23:27 GMT
Ah Pacifico how did I know you’d pop up to defend these crooks That’s because you always do. The difference?No crooked middlemen and restore a modernised version of the electric boards, investment to ensure energy security woefully neglected by all administrations for decades. I even said they could be mutuals to placate tories like you who still believe all Saint Maggies privatisations were the equivalent of god handing down the Ten Commandments to Moses holy and sacrosanct when in fact many are nothing but a disaster. Wasting my time I know because you’ll never see it much like your avatar Alf. What genius to self off essential utilities then bought up by state owned companies of our European neighbours,you do know the customers of edf in France are charged less than Brits,gross negligence and stupidity by our masters in Westminster neglecting our interests. Well there are a lot of words but no answers to the question. Lets stick to specifics - would you nationalise Shell?. If so where is the $400 Billion coming from?. Add in BP - thats another $300 Billion. You have spent an awful lot of money that you dont have. Or are you just going to nationalise the energy distributors like Centrica - which would cost about $30 Billion for each one (there are 6). Of course you would then get the profits from that investment - this year Centrica made a healthy profit, last year they lost money.. That you cannot articulate what differences you would expect to see for all this expense kinda indicates that it would be an exercise in futility. No answers? What are you on about? I note that you cannot answer why it was a good idea to allow foreign nationalised companies to own and run energy companies and screw us same with water. Where did I say I’d want to nationalise shell or bp? I said regional suppliers either state owned or mutuals operated for the benefit of us the customer. We should also be securing our energy long term so we”re not at the mercy of opec,Russia or anyone else. All you can do as with P&O is say stuff the ordinary people it’s foreign owned. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2023 8:44:57 GMT
If the government set up a new national energy company selling at just above cost price, everyone will switch to them and the private companies will disappear. It would happen almost overnight, if their IT systems could stand the rate people would want to switch. Staff from the private companies might have a job with the government supplier.
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Post by Orac on Aug 15, 2023 8:48:53 GMT
I'm no expert, but isn't there a big practical problem here? How would the energy be transmitted from the Whitehall power stations to the UK public's homes?
This whole mess is caused by the immense economic power of a territorial monopoly.
You put the monopoly power in private hands and people are concerned that they are being privately shafted
You put the monopoly power in public hands and creepy Marxist types try to use the power to overturn elected governments and defeat democracy.
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