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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 9:37:03 GMT
The Tories should listen to voters and take Britain out of the ECHR SIR – If the Tories want to stay in power, Britain must leave the European Convention on Human Rights (report, August 10). Otherwise, I’m afraid the Labour Party will win, and we will have no hope of controlling our borders. Why won’t the Conservative Party listen to the country? Jim Riley Macclesfield, Cheshire SIR – Left-wing lawyers have thwarted every attempt to secure our borders by using current legislation to their advantage. If it is the laws of the land that are impeding us, change them. If the European Convention on Human Rights is the stumbling block, leave it. I think the French could easily deal with the small boats crisis through organised intelligence, but they clearly choose not to do so. We are a sovereign nation and we should take control. Mick Ferrie Mawnan Smith, Cornwall SIR – The ECHR is based on the idea that none of the signatories can be trusted to respect human rights when governing themselves; they are, however, competent to propose candidates for the Court to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Freedom House classifies two members of the Council of Europe, Turkey and Azerbaijan, as “not free” and several others as “partly free”.
You are being gaslighted the Tories will never take us out of the ECHR. The Lords would most likely block it and there's less than a year left of this government's term. My guess is hung parliament next time and this will be quietly dropped. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:54:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 9:58:55 GMT
You are being gaslighted the Tories will never take us out of the ECHR. The Lords would most likely block it and there's less than a year left of this government's term. My guess is hung parliament next time and this will be quietly dropped. My guess is there are too many 'sensible' Tories that do not want us to leave the ECHR and that Labour will win a massive majority at the next election. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 10:03:16 GMT
There is only one way to stop the boats, open processing centres in France. Growing the economy needs investment, nuff said. The Tories do not control inflation and it will naturally fall. Reducing debt would mean they have to stop borrowing, nuff said. Waiting lists cannot be cut by cutting funding. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 10:03:56 GMT
I think a 2010 type situation of a hung parliament is more likely.
Starmer is not a charismatic leader.
And what does he actually stand for?
Punishing the Tories will happen.
But rewarding Labour with a huge majority?
I doubt it.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 10:04:02 GMT
The Lords would most likely block it and there's less than a year left of this government's term. My guess is hung parliament next time and this will be quietly dropped. My guess is there are too many 'sensible' Tories that do not want us to leave the ECHR and that Labour will win a massive majority at the next election. Except every time they are caught wanting they scapegoat the EHCR obviously hoping someone else can take the can, then everybody argues about should we or shouldn't we, which brings out you telling us what a bad thing it would be and following the likes of the deputy leader of new labour, meanwhile feck all gets done as usual while the public become more frustrated. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 10:06:59 GMT
Waiting lists cannot be cut by cutting funding. You can eliminate waiting lists for IVF, and gender reassignment surgeries by cutting funding. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 14, 2023 7:28:41 GMT
Even taking account of the hysteria and hand-wringing attendant to the latest incident, taking a dinghy across the Channel doesn't seem that dangerous.
100,000 crossings and 55 fatalities.
About one for every 2,000 crossings. That's not going to deter anyone who knows that once they make it across they're set up for life.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2023 8:23:00 GMT
IF we are to leave the convention, then have a referendum. Personally I don't think a referendum is necessary, the government should just withdraw. But the sad thing is, if we did have a referendum the government know damned well the vast majority would vote to leave the outdated convention, perhaps that's why the government wont allow one. This isn't how democracy is supposed to work, this is how the EU works. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 14, 2023 10:58:08 GMT
There is probably no real need to even leave the convention (though i have no objection to doing so)
The Tories have been in control of the legislature for a decade
Facing the facts here is not comfortable.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2023 13:03:04 GMT
Good YouTube channel Orac, just subscribed and look forward to watching more.
I absolutely agree with Morgoth's Review, I've said a few times that the government are guilty of treason, I can see why people laugh when I say that, it sounds archaic, it's not the language we use today. But it's perfectly true, the government is guilty of treason. Treason: "the act of betraying one's country", and I'm struggling to think of a time in our long history when any government betrayed the people more than this government have, and continue to do so.
And the video is right, it isn't incompetence or stupidity, quite the reverse. This is planned, regardless of what the people want or think, this is a political agenda across all parties, and of course the EU. One glimmer of hope we may have is that it will likely push people to the political right, people who are or were politically neutral, politically centrist will become increasingly disillusioned and be pushed to the right. This is how UKIP managed to win 12.7% of the popular vote. You may have thought that politicians would have learned from past mistakes, but alas it seems they are destined to treat the electorate with utter contempt.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 14, 2023 13:04:32 GMT
Morgoth is a very canny lad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2023 13:57:23 GMT
Even taking account of the hysteria and hand-wringing attendant to the latest incident, taking a dinghy across the Channel doesn't seem that dangerous. 100,000 crossings and 55 fatalities. About one for every 2,000 crossings. That's not going to deter anyone who knows that once they make it across they're set up for life. I know its terrible isn't it. They come across to this country, walk down to the benefits office and sign on, get given a phone and a car and a brand new house. Someone ought to do something about this. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2023 14:02:05 GMT
Morgoth is a very canny lad.  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 14, 2023 14:22:00 GMT
Even taking account of the hysteria and hand-wringing attendant to the latest incident, taking a dinghy across the Channel doesn't seem that dangerous. 100,000 crossings and 55 fatalities. About one for every 2,000 crossings. That's not going to deter anyone who knows that once they make it across they're set up for life. I know its terrible isn't it. They come across to this country, walk down to the benefits office and sign on, get given a phone and a car and a brand new house. Someone ought to do something about this. Whatever they are given it's bound to be much more appealing than this.
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